On the 23rd feb the Polish King posted that "..both the Caravan Club and the Camping and Caravan Club are recomending Care-avan cleaning products to their members". After I pointed out that the clubs don't normally recommend any products he urged me to check out page 98 of this month's Caravan Club magazine. It was delivered today and sure enough on p98 there was a small item on the section "Shop Front" concerning this product. Absolutely no mention of it being recommended to members, not even a reveiw of its effectiveness or otherwise. It was mainly an advert with an offer of
My neighbour has just had his NEW bailey serviced for the first time and he asked the Bailey APPROVED service manager what would be a good product to use for wash and polish of the van ready for the summer. His reply was that most people use Fenwick and that it is a very good product. He said he does not stock it as he is only a workshop without sales but it can be purchased in virtually all caravan sales shops and that there is no problems with it at all. He said that he uses it on both his Bailey and the one belonging to his mother in law and it buffs up a treat.
I have been followi9ng this thread with some intrest as I own a 2007 Bailey. I have always used Fenwicks and find it an excellent product and finish off with Mer or Autoglym and I will continue to do so. I will NOT be using Care-avan due to this thread or recommending to the many other caravanner I know.
Rob-T excellent reply.
Rob
Rob-T excellent reply.
Rob
I too have had a Bailey caravan for four years until I changed it last year. During that time I used Fenwicks Cleaner, Bobby Dazzler and Overwintering products.
As I washed my van every time after being out with it, as I had a cover for the van, I think I can qualify for a frequent user of Fenwicks products, especially the Cleaner, which in certain quarters seems to have a problem with the materials the van is constructed with.
Can I say here, I have never seen nor had a problem with my Bailey caravan or with Fenwick products.
I have followed this thread relegiously each day and I hoped and prayed that Polish King would come out and inform us all, of who conducted these tests on their behalf, and if they were independant. So far this question has not been answered, so come on Polish King, tell us want we want to know, how genuine are you and your products, should this occur, then you may then have a few more customers, until then there are a lot of doubters out there. I would like to include myself in that section.
Is the same thing occurring with certain postings about toilet chemicals and the replies given from certain quarters?
As I washed my van every time after being out with it, as I had a cover for the van, I think I can qualify for a frequent user of Fenwicks products, especially the Cleaner, which in certain quarters seems to have a problem with the materials the van is constructed with.
Can I say here, I have never seen nor had a problem with my Bailey caravan or with Fenwick products.
I have followed this thread relegiously each day and I hoped and prayed that Polish King would come out and inform us all, of who conducted these tests on their behalf, and if they were independant. So far this question has not been answered, so come on Polish King, tell us want we want to know, how genuine are you and your products, should this occur, then you may then have a few more customers, until then there are a lot of doubters out there. I would like to include myself in that section.
Is the same thing occurring with certain postings about toilet chemicals and the replies given from certain quarters?
Hi all,
With regard to Jason R's posting......if The Polish King has God on his side, what product does the Aimighty recommend?
come on guys,dont knock the polish king,i have requested samples and will report back.dont knock the product till you tried it
Dave,
We are not knocking his product.What we are knocking is the way he tries to justify his product over his competiters.It is up to him to prove what he has said is true.
A company who does business the way he does will never get my support no matter how good his products may be now or ever.
Hamer
I have been reading the CC magazine this evening and there is no mention of the club recommending the Care-avan cleaner. All it states is that there is a special offer on for club members and a saving of
Dave,
As Jason and Hamer have said I'm not knocking the product but I don't like the way this man conducts his business. I'm sure the cleaner will be o.k, overpriced but o.k.
I notice he is on another caravan forum announcing his "fantastic" but erroneous news that the Caravan Club is recommending his products.
Unprofessional and unethical is about the best I can say of his methods.
This was his post on here on 10th Feb:
"Please note that I am giving factual information that can and has been proved correct.I am sure as a caravanner myself I would want to be given vital information, thats what forums are for or am I missing some thing ? The big brother approach is for Russia not England "
It has been clearly shown that the information he is given is NOT factual.
As Jason and Hamer have said I'm not knocking the product but I don't like the way this man conducts his business. I'm sure the cleaner will be o.k, overpriced but o.k.
I notice he is on another caravan forum announcing his "fantastic" but erroneous news that the Caravan Club is recommending his products.
Unprofessional and unethical is about the best I can say of his methods.
This was his post on here on 10th Feb:
"Please note that I am giving factual information that can and has been proved correct.I am sure as a caravanner myself I would want to be given vital information, thats what forums are for or am I missing some thing ? The big brother approach is for Russia not England "
It has been clearly shown that the information he is given is NOT factual.
Back on 10th Feb, I posted as why the Polish King was allowed to post about his product.
I thought it would end there, with just a recommendation.
However, as time has gone on he has been blatantly advertising in a way which is not strictly accurate, and is therefore misleading.
1. The testing was not done by Baileys, it was done by their European panel manufacturer and their(the european manufacturers) raw material supplier.
2. The "endorsement" from Baileys is, to say the least, very ambiguous in that it states the product is "acceptable" to use in the Bailey vans and that no other product has been tested, but it does NOT say that other products should not be used, nor does it say they should.
3. Most other polishes have been around for years, if not decades, with millions of people using them, so have had long term, very varied testing and results, hence the preference for one type over another due to individual results.
4. Care-avan products are very new on the market and have yet to stand the test of time.
5 The promotions in the magazines appear to simply be advertising , there is no direct link the magazines are actually recommending any product.
6. There is a distinct lack of any verifiable data to prove anything that has been said about the product, its testing, time scale, conditions and results.
In the future, on this forum, any further advertising postings by The Polish King will be removed.
I thought it would end there, with just a recommendation.
However, as time has gone on he has been blatantly advertising in a way which is not strictly accurate, and is therefore misleading.
1. The testing was not done by Baileys, it was done by their European panel manufacturer and their(the european manufacturers) raw material supplier.
2. The "endorsement" from Baileys is, to say the least, very ambiguous in that it states the product is "acceptable" to use in the Bailey vans and that no other product has been tested, but it does NOT say that other products should not be used, nor does it say they should.
3. Most other polishes have been around for years, if not decades, with millions of people using them, so have had long term, very varied testing and results, hence the preference for one type over another due to individual results.
4. Care-avan products are very new on the market and have yet to stand the test of time.
5 The promotions in the magazines appear to simply be advertising , there is no direct link the magazines are actually recommending any product.
6. There is a distinct lack of any verifiable data to prove anything that has been said about the product, its testing, time scale, conditions and results.
In the future, on this forum, any further advertising postings by The Polish King will be removed.
Well strike a light.
There was me thinking that the Polish King was away praying for guidance and flash bang in a what must have been a wisdom vision it was Moderator 2 who got it.
Well praise be to Mod 2 and his wisdom on this matter
There was me thinking that the Polish King was away praying for guidance and flash bang in a what must have been a wisdom vision it was Moderator 2 who got it.
Well praise be to Mod 2 and his wisdom on this matter
Hi Mod 2. Very well put. It's just sad that The Polish King will not be allowed to answer the very fair and reasonable questions we have all put to him.
Oh well, God moves in mysterious ways! Amen.
Cheers
Alan
Oh well, God moves in mysterious ways! Amen.
Cheers
Alan
Well done Mod2. Agree with your comments.
Alan, don't think there was ever much chance of the questions being answered anyway.
Alan, don't think there was ever much chance of the questions being answered anyway.
Thank you Moderator2. Well put comments justifying his removal from the forum. Forum members now know exactly what type of company he represents!!!
Hamer
Hamer
Rob
I agree. More likely I suspect he couldn't answer them!
Well I'm sticking to Fenwicks and Autoglym unless Bailey wish to tell me otherwise.
Cheers
Alan
I agree. More likely I suspect he couldn't answer them!
Well I'm sticking to Fenwicks and Autoglym unless Bailey wish to tell me otherwise.
Cheers
Alan
If The Polish King and Care-avan go bust, what will happen to all the Bailey caravans ? Will they remain forever dirty or just roll over and die ?
Well I am pleased that the Moderator took the action re the "The Polish King"
But what I would really like is a reply from "Bailey".
Bailey at this time say that Blah, Blah, and Blah as far as we know do not or do effect the body work of their caravan's
Come on a definitive answer would be great so we can look after our Bailey van,s with pride well knowing that we can pass(Sell) them on well knowing that we have looked after them to the caravan manufacturers recommendations.
So Mote
Rob
But what I would really like is a reply from "Bailey".
Bailey at this time say that Blah, Blah, and Blah as far as we know do not or do effect the body work of their caravan's
Come on a definitive answer would be great so we can look after our Bailey van,s with pride well knowing that we can pass(Sell) them on well knowing that we have looked after them to the caravan manufacturers recommendations.
So Mote
Rob
A statement from the Managing Director of Fenwicks Ltd.Jonathon Smith is posted on www.soapysmiths.com
Belowcopy and pasted is the thread from soapysmiths.com.
I'm preety sure they and Fenwicks will not mind.
"Omf at 20:49:34 on 31/07/2007 asks:
" would it be possible to see Fenwick's statement re Bailey's"
Soapy Says:
Yes certainly,and here it is short and sweet.
"Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner does not cause damage to acrylic capped ABS used by Bailey Caravans. This has been proved by Fenwick's own testing and independent testing by Hull University and Geocel Ltd.
After the many years that Bailey Caravans have been using this material, they have not been able to provide any evidence that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner has caused any damage to their caravans. Despite the amount of warranty problems, not a single one has been caused by Fenwick's.
Fenwick's products fully comply with Bailey's warranty information, Thompson Plastics (materials moulder) warranty and the material manufactures warranty information. Therefore legally, using Fenwick's does not invalidate their warranty."
Statement from Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director
Fenwick's Ltd. "
I'm preety sure they and Fenwicks will not mind.
"Omf at 20:49:34 on 31/07/2007 asks:
" would it be possible to see Fenwick's statement re Bailey's"
Soapy Says:
Yes certainly,and here it is short and sweet.
"Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner does not cause damage to acrylic capped ABS used by Bailey Caravans. This has been proved by Fenwick's own testing and independent testing by Hull University and Geocel Ltd.
After the many years that Bailey Caravans have been using this material, they have not been able to provide any evidence that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner has caused any damage to their caravans. Despite the amount of warranty problems, not a single one has been caused by Fenwick's.
Fenwick's products fully comply with Bailey's warranty information, Thompson Plastics (materials moulder) warranty and the material manufactures warranty information. Therefore legally, using Fenwick's does not invalidate their warranty."
Statement from Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director
Fenwick's Ltd. "
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