Going Green isn’t easy

[otherclive]

Does that include replacing the radiators , pipes and redecoration?

The surveyor said the radiators would not require replacement as they are all, apart from bathroom, three years old double panel radiators with them being well sized for each room, with two large ones in the lounge that tend to be throttled well back. No it didn’t cover any redecorating. Significant changes would have been replastering and decorating where the existing boiler was removed in the kitchen, and the extension of the airing cupboard in to a single bedroom that I use as an office to site the tanks. Not too expensive as my daughter had a false wall installed across the upstairs front to back of the house, to reduce noise from the neighbour. That cost around £1500 including thermal and noise insulation. My office wall would be about a quarter the length that she had installed. I didn’t take it as far as a firm price quotation as the water supply restrictions imposed by a 15 mm supply with iffy pressure sort of stopped the conversation dead.

 

[Buckman]

Of course it can be made mandatory in new build. They don’t qualify for the grant anyway as it is not replacing an existing gas system. You are also ignoring the cost of installing gas heating isn’t within the house price.

It’s incredible that other things being equal I could have had a heat pump installed for around £4-5k with the grant, but a new combi condensing boiler was quoted at £7k. Economics of the mad house, but I would probably have taken it were the house suitable.

I was asking the question as I do not know. Has legislation being passed to make in mandatory as cannot see how that will save any home owner £300 a month?

 

[otherclive]

I was asking the question as I do not know. Has legislation being passed to make in mandatory as cannot see how that will save any home owner £300 a month?

Simply a change in building regulations might be all that is required. Whoever mentioned saving £300 pm. The only time I’ve seen £300 is per annum based on the Government’s stated target by the end of Parliament.

 

[Buckman]

Whoever mentioned saving £300 pm. The only time I’ve seen £300 is per annum based on the Government’s stated target by the end of Parliament.

The guy trying to implement or force net zero on us?

 

[Dustydog]

The surveyor said the radiators would not require replacement as they are all, apart from bathroom, three years old double panel radiators with them being well sized for each room, with two large ones in the lounge that tend to be throttled well back. No it didn’t cover any redecorating. Significant changes would have been replastering and decorating where the existing boiler was removed in the kitchen, and the extension of the airing cupboard in to a single bedroom that I use as an office to site the tanks. Not too expensive as my daughter had a false wall installed across the upstairs front to back of the house, to reduce noise from the neighbour. That cost around £1500 including thermal and noise insulation. My office wall would be about a quarter the length that she had installed. I didn’t take it as far as a firm price quotation as the water supply restrictions imposed by a 15 mm supply with iffy pressure sort of stopped the conversation dead.

Our system is 10 mm micro bore. AHP need , I am told 22 mm and massive rads. I can see it going into a new build but see no advantage in older homes . Sadly green comes at a price that most cannot afford retrospectively .

 

[otherclive]

The guy trying to implement or force net zero on us?

Where exactly had £300pm been mentioned and in what context?

 

[Buckman]

Where exactly had £300pm been mentioned and in what context?

Look it up!

 

[otherclive]

Our system is 10 mm micro bore. AHP need , I am told 22 mm and massive rads. I can see it going into a new build but see no advantage in older homes . Sadly green comes at a price that most cannot afford retrospectively .

Looks like I have two options in the future. One is hopefully hydrogen will replace mains gas, or two houses fitting all electric radiators have tariffs divorced from the price of gas as more renewables and nuclear come on line.

 

[otherclive]

Look it up!

Fake news ? Totally unsubstantiated and even a saving of £300pa isn’t directly related to heat pumps it was the saving expected against the average household bills for a year. IE a reduction in the energy price cap.

 

[ProfJohnL]

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Mine also includes the magnetron cleaning.

John

Question I am not aware of any domestic or industrial central heating system that includes a "magnetron"

I know some olde oil fired boilers used a Magneto to get the furnace working, Can you enlighten me please?

 

[ProfJohnL]

Being pedantic, there is should be no such thing as a "standard" service for a central heating boiler.

Each model of boiler will have its maintenance and servicing needs set out by its manufacturer. That is what the service should cover as well as meeting all statutory requirements.

Some service providers have worked out the minimum cost to service every model of boiler they come across and have decided to offer a flat rate to cover the boilers the deal with. Some times that is integrated into an insurance policy. Some boilers will be less costly than others to service, I doubt the service provider makes a loss on any jobs, but they could be making a bigger profit on some models than others.

 

[otherclive]

Question I am not aware of any domestic or industrial central heating system that includes a "magnetron"

I know some olde oil fired boilers used a Magneto to get the furnace working, Can you enlighten me please?

It’s the magnetic filter that sits in the water circulation circuit.

 

[GUMPY]

Each model of boiler will have its maintenance and servicing needs set out by its manufacturer. That is what the service should cover as well as meeting all statutory requirements.

That could explain why my old and complicated boiler service costed more than the average.

 

[GUMPY]

One is hopefully hydrogen will replace mains gas,

How can this hydrogen be produced in an environmentally friendly way.
To produce it for cars it uses three times the electricity than would be used to power a similar car.
Yes if we had unlimited green electricity then it would work but would it ever be financially viable?

 

[Hutch]

That could explain why my old and complicated boiler service costed more than the average.

My 40 year old cast iron "New Mexico" boiler cost just £65 to service, ( same as new boiler ) replaced the pilots light thermocouple every, 3 years , £5 .
I changed it just in case HMG decided I could not replace for another gas boiler.
Left the old boiler outside on the front garden, it was gone in the morning.
The Travelling Fairys must have taken it.

 

[otherclive]

How can this hydrogen be produced in an environmentally friendly way.
To produce it for cars it uses three times the electricity than would be used to power a similar car.
Yes if we had unlimited green electricity then it would work but would it ever be financially viable?

Unfortunately a car is of little use for heating the house.

 

[GUMPY]

Unfortunately a car is of little use for heating the house.

So is hydrogen 😂

 

[Oscarmax]

How can this hydrogen be produced in an environmentally friendly way.
To produce it for cars it uses three times the electricity than would be used to power a similar car.
Yes if we had unlimited green electricity then it would work but would it ever be financially viable?

I have somewhere online using excess electric energy instead paying to with of wind turbines to produce hydrogen ?

 

[JTQ]

There is a way to delete the whole post, not just the text. Took me several year to realise. The delete , next to edit.

Thanks, silly me for not twigging.

 

[otherclive]

Could always return to storage units like these in Vienna, since decommissioned, although most might prefer hydrogen stored elsewhere and underground.

 

[GUMPY]

Interesting thought on storage: love the Vienna ones.
Fine for LNG but Hydrogen?
It does go with a big pop.

Hydrogen safety - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[otherclive]

Interesting thought on storage: love the Vienna ones.
Fine for LNG but Hydrogen?
It does go with a big pop.

Hydrogen safety - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the 1980s I was involved with a Canadian advocate of Hydrogen, Dr Geoff Ballard, who set up Ballard Power Systems and his prime interest was in using hydrogen for transport power using fuel cells. Alternatively my main interest was the safe storage of hydrogen. I recall attending a demonstration where an incendiary bullet was fired in to a hydrogen storage vessel designed for a bus application. All we got was a brief puff of flame. Same when another round was shot into the container. This was because the hydrogen was stored in a metal hydride. Our application of interest was hydrogen generated at pressures up to 3000psi required to be stored prior to disposal, in parallel carbon dioxide had to be captured for disposal, whilst nitrogen partial pressure had to be maintained. To add further complexity carbon monoxide and freons had to be managed too. We certainly did not underestimate the potential of hydrogen to spoil your day.

 

[Jcloughie]

Question I am not aware of any domestic or industrial central heating system that includes a "magnetron"

I know some olde oil fired boilers used a Magneto to get the furnace working, Can you enlighten me please?

My mistake. It is:-

Magnaclean​

But perhaps the use of microwaves might boost a boilers output.

John

 

[GUMPY]

I recall attending a demonstration where an incendiary bullet was fired in to a hydrogen storage vessel designed for a bus application.

On the subject of demonstrations My best mate was involved in filming "Operation Smash Hit" back in the 80s
Greenpeace said it was faked

View: https://youtu.be/h4IBdTceCcY?si=VU0BXTKZerBLUMpj