Green? The tide may be turning!

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According to the RAC and Daily Telegraph the EV will be more expensive to run from October.
Here’s a photo of yesterday’s article. Hope it is allowed?

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Few will notice - the vast majority of electrified cars sold seem to be PHEVs, no doubt because of their attractive BIK tax rating for business users - with the big irony that few of them are ever actually plugged in.
 
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Few will notice - the vast majority of electrified cars sold seem to be PHEVs, no doubt because of their attractive BIK tax rating for business users - with the big irony that few of them are ever actually plugged in.
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As ever the papers only give the worst part of storey.

It all depends on the efficiency of the EV you have and how you charge it.

For me, and my PHEV, I use Economy 7 rates at home, and even with the projected energy cap for the new year it will still be cheaper to use Eco7 than petrol for at least 90% of my journeys. And I get the smug factor of lower emissions into the bargain, and no LEZ charges, and substantially lower Vehicle Tax.

I expect the present volatility in energy prices will eventually stabilise nearer the pre Ukrainian War differentials, with EV's still being a better long term proposition on average compared to ICE in the near future and going forward.

It is almost certain that high energy costs will force many people to be more rational about using all sources of energy.
 
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Our grandson mentioned to me that he spends £150 p month on electric for his 5 series PHEV , which seemed a lot although he’s everywhere in it. He was seriously considering just fuelling it up and not running on electric. I don’t know the economics of it. He and his partner are in the process of clearing their rental property as the landlord is increasing the rent by a disproportionate amount. They are then moving in with my daughter, as it will help them all to share costs. I’m in the process of getting an extra layer of loft insulation for them, something on my to do list list anyway. He can charge his car at our house and as we are still on a cheap April 2021 tariff until April 2023, they can also use ours house when working from home if required.

And big bonus is I can dog sit and walk the Klaus!!30F63DA2-978A-46C7-8D77-282E5FF32EA5.jpeg
 
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As ever the papers only give the worst part of storey.

It all depends on the efficiency of the EV you have and how you charge it.

For me, and my PHEV, I use Economy 7 rates at home, and even with the projected energy cap for the new year it will still be cheaper to use Eco7 than petrol for at least 90% of my journeys. And I get the smug factor of lower emissions into the bargain, and no LEZ charges, and substantially lower Vehicle Tax.

I expect the present volatility in energy prices will eventually stabilise nearer the pre Ukrainian War differentials, with EV's still being a better long term proposition on average compared to ICE in the near future and going forward.

It is almost certain that high energy costs will force many people to be more rational about using all sources of energy.
Several of the specialist consultancies expect high energy costs to prevail for at least 5+ years and some are sceptical that in real terms they will not significantly reduce until countries are weaned off of gas via renewables, nuclear etc and minimal gas where unavoidable. So it’s wait and see time.
 
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Have a laugh😜😜We have just purchased two hot water bottles and two double duvets to wrap ourselves in watching TV downstairs in the Autumn😎😎
 
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I expect the present volatility in energy prices will eventually stabilise nearer the pre Ukrainian War differentials, with EV's still being a better long term proposition on average compared to ICE in the near future and going forward.
It's good to see your optimism - but the Ukranian War won't be resolved quickly and Russia will remain a pariah to western economies for decades after the war ends so the era of cheap gas, and it's effect on electricty prices, is gone and never likely to return.
 
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Already kept our sleeping bags in from our caravan days and if i need anything else got minus 10 suit in the garage and thermal gloves
 
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Not read it on purpose-as long as TEsco continue to pay me to go to their shop I can get at the mo 1.50 worth in -and if it doubles 3£ of leccy in on my weekly shop, i can go Octopus go and charge off peak cheaply or I can look as i am into solar panels. BUT I can't tow a caravan so for that reason the mini might go-we;ll see!
 
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Have a laugh😜😜We have just purchased two hot water bottles and two double duvets to wrap ourselves in watching TV downstairs in the Autumn😎😎
Surely sleeping bags would have been better and served a dual purpose? :D
 
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When we lived in Cumbria we rented a large Victorian place that used to be a country house hotel. We couldn’t afford to heat the whole place and the bedrooms just had measly little gas heaters, which really did not make much difference unkess run continuously so we bought an electric blanket and it was brilliant, and cost peanuts to run. It would come on an hour before bedtime and be switched off when we went to bed. We had a couple spare so when anyone visited they would at least have a warm bed. But the en suites were freezing in winter just had to live with that.
 
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Our grandson mentioned to me that he spends £150 p month on electric for his 5 series PHEV , which seemed a lot although he’s everywhere in it. He was seriously considering just fuelling it up and not running on electric. I don’t know the economics of it. He and his partner are in the process of clearing their rental property as the landlord is increasing the rent by a disproportionate amount. They are then moving in with my daughter, as it will help them all to share costs. I’m in the process of getting an extra layer of loft insulation for them, something on my to do list list anyway. He can charge his car at our house and as we are still on a cheap April 2021 tariff until April 2023, they can also use ours house when working from home if required.

And big bonus is I can dog sit and walk the Klaus!!View attachment 3811
Stunning picture of dog
 
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Stunning picture of dog
Thanks. He’s a Xmas 2020 lockdown mutt hence the name, just coming up to two years in November, soft as anything but our old Spaniel just won’t tolerate him anywhere. She even goes nuts at the patio windows if he is in the garden. Typical Spaniel spontaneous rage.
 
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Thanks. He’s a Xmas 2020 lockdown mutt hence the name, just coming up to two years in November, soft as anything but our old Spaniel just won’t tolerate him anywhere. She even goes nuts at the patio windows if he is in the garden. Typical Spaniel spontaneous rage.
I didn't realise spaniels had rage problems, my two mutts got on well with Dusty Dogs two and also with my friends Welsh Springers.
 
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I didn't realise spaniels had rage problems, my two mutts got on well with Dusty Dogs two and also with my friends Welsh Springers.
Some were affected by spontaneous rage yet this one got on fine with our other one of almost identical age. Yet on a walk she would give no warning and just let rip at other dogs if they came to her. Once down in Brandon I took her out for an early walk. The village Staffie was out loose and came up to her. It left very quickly with its tail down. Even now at 15+ my wife is reluctant to take her out despite the fact that with arthritis and knee pins she cannot lunge anymore. She’s been a great companion and great with kids. Spaniel not wife.😂
 
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We’ve had ESS workers for decades although doglegs now. None of ours any aggressive behaviour. That said on the few occasions they were attacked they stood their ground. May be Clive was unlucky😢
 
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A group of friends Scoffed at one friend who fitted Solar panels batteries etc to his house maybe 10 years ago, and has now bought an MG electric car. He hardly pays anything for power in his home.
I am quite envious.
 
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We’ve had ESS workers for decades although doglegs now. None of ours any aggressive behaviour. That said on the few occasions they were attacked they stood their ground. May be Clive was unlucky😢
She was “ free to good home” at 12 months old yet when introduced to our other ESS and daughters ESS she was fine. It was just when other dogs came over to her, and despite me putting her on a lead I just kept meeting the “ he/she only wants to say hello “ owners.
 
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According to the RAC and Daily Telegraph the EV will be more expensive to run from October.
Here’s a photo of yesterday’s article. Hope it is allowed?

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Absolute rubbish. 400 miles for £50 at £1.70 a litre? That would require a real world 66mpg from a petrol Jag SUV. The iPace does about 3.3 miles to the kWh real world. So 400 miles costs about £67 at 56p per kWh (price cap). The absolute best WLTP figure for an F-pace is 48MPG. Which it will get nowhere near in real life.
 
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A group of friends Scoffed at one friend who fitted Solar panels batteries etc to his house maybe 10 years ago, and has now bought an MG electric car. He hardly pays anything for power in his home.
I am quite envious.
You are not on your own (We are thinking of putting Solar panels on our bungalow )
 
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If I've any money left after this divorce I'll be looking at solar panels and a battery.
 

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