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The last century proves nothing of this. It suggests there may be a connection no more.

Why would I want to change my lifestyle and reduce the quality of my life if this would not make a difference to by kids, cost me more money and worst still, show I support a campaign that has no more effect on our environment other than who is in charge today. For too long now, the media have only printed one side of the story. Is it not about time the real facts came to life....

Now, if I was to select a mondeo instead of a discovery, how much of a change will that make in the world? I am not going to wear out the zero key on my laptop to put the numbers up.

As for reduction of your carbon foot print, lets google the facts of that one.

The Kyoto Protocol calls for mandatory carbon dioxide reductions of 30% from developed countries like the U.S. Reducing man-made CO2 emissions this much would have an undetectable effect on climate while having a devastating effect on the U.S. economy. Can you drive your car 30% less, reduce your winter heating 30%? Pay 20-50% more for everything from automobiles to zippers? And that is just a down payment, with more sacrifices to come later.

Such drastic measures, even if imposed equally on all countries around the world, would reduce total human greenhouse contributions from CO2 by about 0.035%.

This is much less than the natural variability of Earth's climate system!

While the greenhouse reductions would exact a high human price, in terms of sacrifices to our standard of living, they would yield statistically negligible results in terms of measurable impacts to climate change. There is no expectation that any statistically significant global warming reductions would come from the Kyoto Protocol.

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" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist

Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,

and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;

in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

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The world is going to continue on its path, me, I prefer to make the world better by educating my kids in the real facts of this planet. If you where relay considering your carbon footprint then the PC you are using would be off as it produces about 200-500w of waste heat in an hour, green house gasses where made producing the energy to run that PC just to let the heat escape.
 
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"Instead of wasting your time quoting "the facts" but doing nothing about it why don't you divert some of your energy into something constructive like looking at your lifestyle and seeing where you can reduce YOUR carbon foot print"

I love that response!!!! thanks Ricky for the laugh

Now, I will type this slow so you understand. MY argument is that there is not (any changable) human input into the global warming that is currently going on. No facts are available that show this anywhere! So why would I want to do somthing about it??

Even if everyone was to cut ALL carbon output from all areas covered by the human race, the normal cycle of the earth would continue. Oh and we would see a "wait for it" ......

0.6 degree c reduction in temperature growth by the year 2050. Note, thats not a reduction in temp, just a reduction in its change!
 
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Sparkes, why do you insist on Googling "drivel" to get your point across?

I ask you again, what are you going to do about it?

We have GOT to do something NOW so there will be something left for our children and our children's children, also the fact that you wouldn't swap your Disco for a Mondeo speaks volumes
 
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There is a greater threat to mankind than global warming and that is the pollution of the waterways and land. Whether it is from artificial fertilisers or pesticides spread on the land for agriculture to rotting poisonous waste from landfills which in turn seeps into water courses. The seas are becoming grossly polluted in places and where they are ok they are being over fished. The world forests are being decimated. Where the trees acted like a giant sponge there is nothing left but a thin topsoil which washes away into the water courses clogging them up and causing flooding on a massive scale, take Bangladesh as an example. Nobody but nobody, whether they try to justify why their percentage to pollution makes not one jot can deny that mankind is trashing the planet and eventually life as we know it must come to an end. Chris Rea's song "Road to Hell" springs to mind.

Well i'm standing by a river

But the water doesn't flow

It boils with every poison you can think of

And i'm underneath the streetlight

But the light of joy i know

Scared beyond belief way down in the shadows

And the perverted fear of violence

Chokes the smile on every face

And common sense is ringing out the bell

This ain't no technological breakdown

Oh no, this is the road to hell
 
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Ricky

Simple question

DO ABOUT WHAT? I do not see a problem, I disagree with you and you still insist I fix a problem you cannot prove is happening and that I do not see.

Tell you what, I think the internet is full of bad people, I am doing sothing about that by helping the NCCC find a way to help a child confirm they are speaking to other kids online. thats a real problem that is provable.

Now, there is a rumour that there are little green men on mars, I have no proof but according to your logic I have every right to demand you go and do somthing about it! Have fun!
 
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As I have no children and at my age I am not likely to have any now, why should I give a t#ss. I certainly will not give up my way of life because of unproven, unworkable. crackpot ideas as suggested by the "Green" faction or any other cranky do gooders who think that they can run my life for me.

Happy Christmas to you all.

Steve W
 
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quote Ricky

Simple question

DO ABOUT WHAT? I do not see a problem, I disagree with you and you still insist I fix a problem you cannot prove is happening and that I do not see. un quote

So Global warming is a fallacy is it Sparkes?

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Ricky

No, The earth is warmining up (a proven natural occurance). Is this the fault of the human race? NO! Can we do anything about it? Well yes, if we cut ALL carbon output then we can slow the rise by .6 of a degree by the year 2050. This would require that we go back into the middle ages and use none of our technology. No hospitals, no work, no cars, nothing.

As for intelligence, I have enough to know that there is always more than one side to any argument. Now, I have provided the figures for showing my side and I am willing to post the links. Can you provide figures that show that the human race can make a measurable difference? say enough to stop the temperature rising?

But as direct answer to your question. is Global warming a fallacy? I answer this, its natural, normal and we do not have enough impact on the planet to change it in any real degree.

What we need to do as a race is put our resources into understanding it and adapting to our environment. Not make meeningless changes that will have zero impact
 
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I'm doing my bit I have worked on the start-up of 11 coal fired power plants in the past 9 years. 3 of them being in China, We got an e-mail today wishing us a Merry Christmas from a good friend, who is starting up 4 more in China at this time. How do I think I have helped ??. Well these plants replaced older Russian tehnology, so we have good So2 capture and less Co2 to the atmosphere. But if you think the Chinese People are going to go without A/C units in the future your off your head.

Since they only have coal ( at this moment in time ) you have a choice Coal Fired or Nuclear. I leave that to the greens to decide !!!!.

ps the Chinese Goverment will not deny the people what they want to save the planet. Like our own Goverment all they are interested in is saving Jobs theirs !!!!!

Frank
 
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Sparkes, wrong wrong wrong, we can do something about it and we are.

Why do you think we have so much legislation about emissions.

Global warming isn't about having "nice hot summers" it's about rising sea levels and extremes of weather.

I'm afraid I'm wasting my breath on someone who doesn't believe it's happening
 
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I'm doing my bit I have worked on the start-up of 11 coal fired power plants in the past 9 years. 3 of them being in China, We got an e-mail today wishing us a Merry Christmas from a good friend, who is starting up 4 more in China at this time. How do I think I have helped ??. Well these plants replaced older Russian tehnology, so we have good So2 capture and less Co2 to the atmosphere. But if you think the Chinese People are going to go without A/C units in the future your off your head.

Since they only have coal ( at this moment in time ) you have a choice Coal Fired or Nuclear. I leave that to the greens to decide !!!!.

ps the Chinese Goverment will not deny the people what they want to save the planet. Like our own Goverment all they are interested in is saving Jobs theirs !!!!!

Frank
I hope you are very proud of yourself
 
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OK, what are we doing about it? So you think that controlling emissions will make a difference? I am sorry Ricky, you needs to read the real news

Global warming is going to happen no matter what you do. Even if we cut all emissions world wide today we are not able to affect the climate. Its a proven item that the world is warming. Its done it before and will do it again.

As for wasting your breath.... You have shown no fact that what you believe in id fact. Please prove that the human race has changed the normal warming cycle of our planet and also prove what we can do about it.

I am afraid I am wasting my breath on anyone who likes to argue about a subject they heard about off the news. Please, get the facts before you assign other people to being idiots.

As for the see levels rising, please see the note above. 8000yrs ago that happened, and as no one was burning fossil fuels then what caused it????.

I await the proof that backs up what you say.

Now, as for legislation. Well, thats a publicity thing, jump on the bandwagon that has the publics ear. Next year it will be Internet based (we have to tax it because its bad)

But legislation is done by politicians, they have no experience in this field or do any UK party use experts (accepted by the world as the specialists in this field) to advise them. A simple test of this is ..

If you believed a subject enough for you to affect everyone in the UK with your belief, would you not back up the solution yourself? think a certain politician and 2 high emission jags..
 
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The politicians espousing this clap trap, are the same ones that told us that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction aimed at us,ready to be fired in 45 minuets. As for conservationist even David Bellamy ( possibly the best known ) concedes that humans have a negligible effect on global warming.

Steve W
 
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Lutz,

You seem a knowledgeable chap, can you explain how Co2 which is a heavy gas and always sinks to the lowest level,can be polluting the atmosphere.

How does it get up there?

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I really never expected to get such a heated discussion going.

CO2 isn't that much heavier than air so it's the wind and the fact that the CO2 is held in suspension in the rest of the atmosphere that holds it up there at higher levels.
 
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I hope you are very proud of yourself
For Ricky,

I am ECSTAIC. What have you done for the millions of people who have no power. People who are freezing to death in Winter and dying in the 1000s when the temp in Summer gets at 30oC. Greens are so blinkered none of you can see any benefit in anything. It's OK for us all, including Greens to do a little bit of polluting. So why not the Chinese ? Afterall they are only doing a little bit. albeit a billion of them doing a little bit.

We either go Nuclear or have Coal. I noticed you skipped that ??

So Ricky at the end of the day, You or I are powerless to stop the world going forward which it will. We don't have enough CAVES for all the worlds people to live so what are we to do ????

Val & Frank
 
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For Ricky,

I am ECSTAIC. What have you done for the millions of people who have no power. People who are freezing to death in Winter and dying in the 1000s when the temp in Summer gets at 30oC. Greens are so blinkered none of you can see any benefit in anything. It's OK for us all, including Greens to do a little bit of polluting. So why not the Chinese ? Afterall they are only doing a little bit. albeit a billion of them doing a little bit.

We either go Nuclear or have Coal. I noticed you skipped that ??

So Ricky at the end of the day, You or I are powerless to stop the world going forward which it will. We don't have enough CAVES for all the worlds people to live so what are we to do ????

Val & Frank
 
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The scare story put about is that carbon dioxide emissions cause "global warming". Yet many scientists are unconvinced that such a relationship exists. Others believe global warming is an entirely natural phenomenon which actually causes an increase in carbon dioxide for there is a growing body of evidence that levels of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere have been ebbing and flowing for over 500 million years due to solar activity.

Others point out that even if global warming happens, so what? The apocolyptic doomsday scenarios so loved by greens are just scaremongering nonsense. It was warmer in Britain in Roman times than it is now.
 
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Ive sat here and read alot of dibble on this subject. I believe that we are contributing to globle warming, however what difference is the uk going to make Mr lionheart.

The chinese will NOT stop there advace in the world nor will india, russa will not cut their co2 nor will the usa.

Well with all the SMALL countrys doing so much, us in the great big UK will save the earth!! not.

Lets look at what Ricky oh so green does to help global warming

He drives a car so do I i presume he tows a caravan So do I.

He uses heat to keep warm and light to well light so do I.

Just how green are you Ricky prey tell??
 
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"Global warming has always been with us. The earth heats and cools on a cycle"

True but over millions of years.

This last century has seen an unprecedented rise in average temperatures throughout the world.

Look at the recent extreme weather conditions we have experienced,I'm afraid you are suffering from the "Ostrich syndrome
on thursday morning at 7,35 on 14/12/06 i heard on the tv that it was the warmest November for 300 hundred years ,so if it was that warm 300 years ago ,it must mean they had global warming ,yet there wasnt any cars about ,
 
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I know there is still plenty of oil in the ground, it is getting more difficult to extract, but it hasn't run out yet. What I want to know is, you can replace oil with other fuels but we also use refined crude for many other things, such as plastics. What happens to them once the oil runs dry?

Just think about it, no more electronics/Nintendo Wii, no more Barbies/Kens, toothbrushes, Skodas, credit cards (not a loss) wipe clean lists, TV's.......the list goes on. Do I need to start saving my carrier bags now in preparation for them being some kind of currency in years to come?
 
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Hi LOL,

No you won't need to worry, Technology will advance as the requirement dictates. Carrier bags will be a thing of the past in 10/15 years. Shopping will come to your door once a week in an electric truck with the shopping in a reusable container. Supermarkets as we know them today, will just become warehouses.It's the only way ASDA and TESCO etc can keep driving profits forward. Think of the CO2 that will be saved by not having to go to the Supermarket (and time ). One plane will carry 1000 passengers so it will be one super jumbo rather than 5/6 737s going to Malaga. Only one plane to taxi and take off will save oodles of fuel.Passengers will be restricted to 10kg of luggage saving 30,000kg of weight on take off so less fuel again. The only problems I can see is what do we do with the 1000s of redundant workers !!!. I am sure Ricky will think of a way ?? Solut Green perhaps !!!

Val & Frank
 

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