Yes sorry Clive me old chucka, you are right the VW (quality german engineering) did in fact score very highly BUT IT WAS THE ONLY ONE TO GET OF THE STARTING GRID! SO THE REST OF YOU MUPPETS ARE DRIVING DEATH TRAPS!!! HA HA HA!!
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I'd love a 4x4, but which one
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Paul my dear read my replies
not upset as i drive the latest model ta very much
just ask the warden to use his two wheel drive tractor to pull me off, who the feck needs a 4x4 except a lunatic who thinks he can play with God!
Your a bit dim Brian, ambulances are a necessity and they aren't piloted by some tool with limited driving ability but by properly trained drivers. 4x4's aren't a necessity just someone's irresponsible vanity
Still no data about the worst offenders on the road
come on lets have the data for shoguns, land cruisers etc
come on lets have the data for shoguns, land cruisers etc
Your child, how do like that?
It would be nice to have some trees in the future to hug, but with the amount of pollution your gas guzzling 4x4 produces I don't think so. get a life, get a brain
Why have a 4x4 when
Only 5 per cent of 4X4s are ever taken off the road.
Driving a 12mpg 4X4 rather than a 25mpg car will waste more energy in one year than leaving the fridge door open for seven years.
Around 21 per cent of carbon emissions that come from road traffic are produced by 4x4's which only account for 6% of cars on the road.
The risk of a fatal roll-over crash is four times as high for 4X4s as it is for a saloon car.
Drivers of 4X4 vehicles are involved in 25 per cent more crashes than average.
In a side impact collision with a 4X4, a car driver is four times more likely to be killed than if they were hit by another car.
Bull bars on the front of 4X4s (now banned on new vehicles) are at a height that greatly increases the threat to child pedestrians.
Among the most polluting 4X4s are Range Rovers and Land Rover Discoveries. Range Rovers with a 4.4-litre engine have an urban mpg figure of 12.2 and emit 389g carbon dioxide per kilometre. By contrast a Ford Mondeo 2-litre fuel-injected saloon has an urban mpg of 25 and emits 190g carbon dioxide. A Smart car emits 138g carbon dioxide.
People who drive 4X4s are more likely to have been in an argument with traffic wardens (22 per cent) than drivers of saloon cars (6 per cent).
These are facts
WHAT ABOUT THAT CLIVE?
Only 5 per cent of 4X4s are ever taken off the road.
Driving a 12mpg 4X4 rather than a 25mpg car will waste more energy in one year than leaving the fridge door open for seven years.
Around 21 per cent of carbon emissions that come from road traffic are produced by 4x4's which only account for 6% of cars on the road.
The risk of a fatal roll-over crash is four times as high for 4X4s as it is for a saloon car.
Drivers of 4X4 vehicles are involved in 25 per cent more crashes than average.
In a side impact collision with a 4X4, a car driver is four times more likely to be killed than if they were hit by another car.
Bull bars on the front of 4X4s (now banned on new vehicles) are at a height that greatly increases the threat to child pedestrians.
Among the most polluting 4X4s are Range Rovers and Land Rover Discoveries. Range Rovers with a 4.4-litre engine have an urban mpg figure of 12.2 and emit 389g carbon dioxide per kilometre. By contrast a Ford Mondeo 2-litre fuel-injected saloon has an urban mpg of 25 and emits 190g carbon dioxide. A Smart car emits 138g carbon dioxide.
People who drive 4X4s are more likely to have been in an argument with traffic wardens (22 per cent) than drivers of saloon cars (6 per cent).
These are facts
WHAT ABOUT THAT CLIVE?
Ban 4x4's
to quote the BBC
"South Downs off-road ban welcomed.
Conservationists have welcomed a decision to ban off-road vehicles from a public right of way in West Sussex.
The West Sussex County Council ban, which takes effect within two months, will ban 4x4 drivers and motorbike riders from the path near Graffham.
Off-roaders had damaged parts of the path surface while others had illegally used prehistoric burial mounds as a scrambling course.
"We are all delighted with the ban," said Graffham resident Eric Rimmer." SO AM I!
Thats just typical isn't it 4x4 pilots doing illegal things (not for the first time I hear eh Clive!)
to quote the BBC
"South Downs off-road ban welcomed.
Conservationists have welcomed a decision to ban off-road vehicles from a public right of way in West Sussex.
The West Sussex County Council ban, which takes effect within two months, will ban 4x4 drivers and motorbike riders from the path near Graffham.
Off-roaders had damaged parts of the path surface while others had illegally used prehistoric burial mounds as a scrambling course.
"We are all delighted with the ban," said Graffham resident Eric Rimmer." SO AM I!
Thats just typical isn't it 4x4 pilots doing illegal things (not for the first time I hear eh Clive!)
Sam have you actually got a licence?
He never lets up.... obviously can't get the message.....nobody's listening or CARES!!!! SADDO
Dear oh dear,
You lot must lead boring and sad life styles with nothing else to satisfy you on a beautiful summers evening than to slag each other off. You think you are so brave typing away to each other debating the individuals choice of towing vehicle. I wish you would have the b--ls to meet up face to face with each other and have a good old sort out and then we might be able to aquire the information from a forum which was designed for this purpose. This used to be a good forum, but if you all carry on with your personal crusades, I for one will not be logging in for much longer. Before you all tap your keyboards, goodbye and good riddance, and by the way there is only one um!
You lot must lead boring and sad life styles with nothing else to satisfy you on a beautiful summers evening than to slag each other off. You think you are so brave typing away to each other debating the individuals choice of towing vehicle. I wish you would have the b--ls to meet up face to face with each other and have a good old sort out and then we might be able to aquire the information from a forum which was designed for this purpose. This used to be a good forum, but if you all carry on with your personal crusades, I for one will not be logging in for much longer. Before you all tap your keyboards, goodbye and good riddance, and by the way there is only one um!
Kanga,I have 30+ years driving experience,passed my test first time,regularly attend track days with my job including the Nurburgring,have had several courses with Drivetec ,taken by serving police officers,for company insurance reasons and have never had an accident or a speeding fine...Brian (the dim 4x4 pilot).and yourself?
Dave
I for one would like the forum to go back to how it used to be.
But I cannot see that hampering anthill Kanga stop a leaf at other people expense.
Has for me meet him face to face. I now what I like to say. But the Moderator would take it of.
So please do not stop using this forum Dave
Mark
I for one would like the forum to go back to how it used to be.
But I cannot see that hampering anthill Kanga stop a leaf at other people expense.
Has for me meet him face to face. I now what I like to say. But the Moderator would take it of.
So please do not stop using this forum Dave
Mark
Dear all, regarding 4x4's versus normal cars - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is getting very boring & tedious. If someone wants to drive a 4x4 so what? It's a free world isn't it? Personally I wouldn't want one as I drive about 45000 miles a year in my BMW 525d Touring, but I'm very grateful to kind 4x4 owners who pull me on/off muddy CL's, so let's live and let live and put this too well worn thread to bed! Each to their own after all - whatever happened to good old British tolerance?
Mike I can understand yout point of view but look where tolerance has got us to in the world, we were tolerant of hitler, we were tolerant of al queda and just look at the mess we are in now.
4x4's are a global problem for all because they kill and injure the innocent much the same as a terrorist
In case anyone missed the postings on Our Website
Whatch out for that wounded Anti guys - I think we have drawn its teeth but it can still seriously suck!
Firstly - I doubt this is Stinky - more likely to be Kanga desperately trying to "shore up" his now rather isolated position
I have made no personal attack on "Stinky" - I simply stated as I do here that the action I took in response to the outrageous accusation was a legal action that had the desired effect.
We have a legal team - retained to act for us. We also refer our clients to other legal firms where appropriate - Where advice on Partnership Planning and Partnership Agreements are required I refer my clients to two experts in this field who are female.
Kanga - or whoever you are -you really should try to read and comprehend the text of what you read.
Libel never came into it - I was accused of being a Paedophile.
Considering all that I have done so far in my life, and where I have travelled to, I find it staggering that I have to become a caravanner and use a caravanning Forum to experience such an extreme abuse!
And my crime? - a silly joke about Aussies and Kiwis (told to me by an Aussie!) - Oh and lets not forget I ran rings round the Anti 4x4 idiots on this Forum and so with all the intellectual splendour of a slug they resorted to accusing me of being a Paedophile!
What they did not know was that any such accusation is taken VERY SERIOUSLY by those who monitor such things. What Stinky did was almost the equivalent of saying he had a bomb on him whilst waiting to board an aircraft.
He is now reaping those consequences - whatever they may be.
I do run my own business - as to being well read - that is for others to judge. I have emailed both the editor of PC and the Moderator via our standard Firms email facility therefore all details are on record with the providers of this Forum.
The last sentence shows the desperation of the Anti's :-
"Hi Kanga and Dav. Hang in there dudes, you're doing an outstanding job. If you can stop just one person buying those killing machines..."
Whoever wrote the above is not interested in sensible debate they are on a single issue mission!
As they are forced to see the fragility of their case - they resort to ever more bizarre and extreme actions. Calling me a Paedophile was, I believe, the worst so far.
However, to confirm the sort of people we are dealing with - this from Kanga:-
Kanga
7 Sep 2005 10:11 PM No nerve to hit mate, by the time you get to the traffic lights in your slow, shite handling, lumbering truck, i will be in the pub having a pint, having arrived serenely in pure comfort and luxury. So no need to wind my window up, it is you who will be staring at my exhaust pipes disappearing in the distance! How I love to drive the worlds best handling saloon car and snigger at the old c**ts plodding along in their 4x4's.
Nice isn't it - you come onto a caravanning forum and just because you drive a 4x4 you get called a C**T.
Says it all.
Whatch out for that wounded Anti guys - I think we have drawn its teeth but it can still seriously suck!
Firstly - I doubt this is Stinky - more likely to be Kanga desperately trying to "shore up" his now rather isolated position
I have made no personal attack on "Stinky" - I simply stated as I do here that the action I took in response to the outrageous accusation was a legal action that had the desired effect.
We have a legal team - retained to act for us. We also refer our clients to other legal firms where appropriate - Where advice on Partnership Planning and Partnership Agreements are required I refer my clients to two experts in this field who are female.
Kanga - or whoever you are -you really should try to read and comprehend the text of what you read.
Libel never came into it - I was accused of being a Paedophile.
Considering all that I have done so far in my life, and where I have travelled to, I find it staggering that I have to become a caravanner and use a caravanning Forum to experience such an extreme abuse!
And my crime? - a silly joke about Aussies and Kiwis (told to me by an Aussie!) - Oh and lets not forget I ran rings round the Anti 4x4 idiots on this Forum and so with all the intellectual splendour of a slug they resorted to accusing me of being a Paedophile!
What they did not know was that any such accusation is taken VERY SERIOUSLY by those who monitor such things. What Stinky did was almost the equivalent of saying he had a bomb on him whilst waiting to board an aircraft.
He is now reaping those consequences - whatever they may be.
I do run my own business - as to being well read - that is for others to judge. I have emailed both the editor of PC and the Moderator via our standard Firms email facility therefore all details are on record with the providers of this Forum.
The last sentence shows the desperation of the Anti's :-
"Hi Kanga and Dav. Hang in there dudes, you're doing an outstanding job. If you can stop just one person buying those killing machines..."
Whoever wrote the above is not interested in sensible debate they are on a single issue mission!
As they are forced to see the fragility of their case - they resort to ever more bizarre and extreme actions. Calling me a Paedophile was, I believe, the worst so far.
However, to confirm the sort of people we are dealing with - this from Kanga:-
Kanga
7 Sep 2005 10:11 PM No nerve to hit mate, by the time you get to the traffic lights in your slow, shite handling, lumbering truck, i will be in the pub having a pint, having arrived serenely in pure comfort and luxury. So no need to wind my window up, it is you who will be staring at my exhaust pipes disappearing in the distance! How I love to drive the worlds best handling saloon car and snigger at the old c**ts plodding along in their 4x4's.
Nice isn't it - you come onto a caravanning forum and just because you drive a 4x4 you get called a C**T.
Says it all.
Interestingly I too was pleased to hear this as the damage was being down to very important sites by motocycle scramblers. Those of us who use Green lanes sensibly use them when conditions allow. Have a look at the FODROW site - you may learn something. Fodrow suggests to the Hiways & Biways dept when a lane should be cleared, closed for repairs or restricted.
As for you insinuating some kind of ilegal activity on my part -please be more specific - I have little psychic ability!
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