I'd love a 4x4, but which one
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I take it then KANGA - that once, again your having this data proving that the vehicles you have decided should not be on the road is NOT in your possession?
Telling us all that you could prove what terrible people we are for driving 4x4's - how we kill poor little children as an acceptable consequence of our choice of vehicle - how we alone are destroying the planet when I could run my Range Rover for about 15 years on the fuel that a 747 uses to cross the pond to the US just once! - and what's more a plane injects its exhaust into the upper atmosphere. - stating the obvious that a vehicle with a foot of suspension travel is going to handle less well than a vehicle with only 6 inches of suspension travel.
The later does not make the former any more dangerous - its just different because it is designed to be more than just a road car.
Equating normal family men and women who dive a vehicle with an extra prop-shaft to terrorist is perhaps the most bizarre and extreme bit of nonsense I have ever seen. And believe me when you deal with the general public you do see some oddities from time to time!
How is this for an analogy - Concorde was excellent at what it did - shame it is not still with us - it handled like a fighter I hear - the pilots loved it. But the 747 is bigger, slower, handles less well - bit like a barge in comparison.
But they both had jobs to do and they do them VERY well.
As does a 5 series BMW and a Range Rover - they both do what they are designed to do very well. Just because you love your car type does not mean that the choice of others is not equally valid. It also means that you cannot expect others to follow your example.
After all this nonsense - can you not see that?
Especially as the truth about safety issues is now spread all over this Forum for those who want to see it via the Ncap website.
I appreciate it must be hard for you to deal with the fact that you have been caught out - the VW 4x4 data on Ncap being the exact OPPOSITE of what you so forcibly said was fact.
So please do not now, again resort to silly snide comments.
This debate surely must becoming to an end or at least a conclusion. I have lost count of the times I have posted a "lets agree to disagree" option which many others have agreed with.
Sadly you have just ignored this in the past then come back with another
The only reason why you could possibly justify continuing this sterile debate now that the facts are "on the table" is if your true aim is nothing more that absolute disruption of this Forum.
Telling us all that you could prove what terrible people we are for driving 4x4's - how we kill poor little children as an acceptable consequence of our choice of vehicle - how we alone are destroying the planet when I could run my Range Rover for about 15 years on the fuel that a 747 uses to cross the pond to the US just once! - and what's more a plane injects its exhaust into the upper atmosphere. - stating the obvious that a vehicle with a foot of suspension travel is going to handle less well than a vehicle with only 6 inches of suspension travel.
The later does not make the former any more dangerous - its just different because it is designed to be more than just a road car.
Equating normal family men and women who dive a vehicle with an extra prop-shaft to terrorist is perhaps the most bizarre and extreme bit of nonsense I have ever seen. And believe me when you deal with the general public you do see some oddities from time to time!
How is this for an analogy - Concorde was excellent at what it did - shame it is not still with us - it handled like a fighter I hear - the pilots loved it. But the 747 is bigger, slower, handles less well - bit like a barge in comparison.
But they both had jobs to do and they do them VERY well.
As does a 5 series BMW and a Range Rover - they both do what they are designed to do very well. Just because you love your car type does not mean that the choice of others is not equally valid. It also means that you cannot expect others to follow your example.
After all this nonsense - can you not see that?
Especially as the truth about safety issues is now spread all over this Forum for those who want to see it via the Ncap website.
I appreciate it must be hard for you to deal with the fact that you have been caught out - the VW 4x4 data on Ncap being the exact OPPOSITE of what you so forcibly said was fact.
So please do not now, again resort to silly snide comments.
This debate surely must becoming to an end or at least a conclusion. I have lost count of the times I have posted a "lets agree to disagree" option which many others have agreed with.
Sadly you have just ignored this in the past then come back with another
The only reason why you could possibly justify continuing this sterile debate now that the facts are "on the table" is if your true aim is nothing more that absolute disruption of this Forum.
To all you Mitsu-Warriors out there,Rovering the Land,Discovering and Cruising the Terrano,Shogun the last Merazzo one of you. Chereoke for now.
Still a bg fat nothing from Kanga regards this Data he says he has and has been hitting us with?
That which he has quoted has been found to be false or unsubstantiated.
Inevitable conclusion?
That which he has quoted has been found to be false or unsubstantiated.
Inevitable conclusion?
Clive, see the Moderators comment under Our Website - if EVERYONE just ignores their comments it really will work M8 but it MUST BE 100%. Where this action will fall down is if someone new posts a topic and gets an idiotic reply but until then people must learn to ignore - and that includes myself. Lets all try it.
presumably, in this instance, a wallaby is someone who "one ups" you at your own childish gameKanga
A car is only has safe has the diver.
But with a wallaby like you behind the wheel. God now how safe it would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I agree with eral and me mate daventura, if we ignore Clive he will go away or at least stop posting his sermons
Ignorring them in the past has not worked because the three of them like to play games between themselves.Clive, see the Moderators comment under Our Website - if EVERYONE just ignores their comments it really will work M8 but it MUST BE 100%. Where this action will fall down is if someone new posts a topic and gets an idiotic reply but until then people must learn to ignore - and that includes myself. Lets all try it.
Certainly happy to ignore them now because a Line has been drawn under their antics that even they must find difficult to live with - hence the quiet times of the last few days.
DerekIve just read this thread hoping to get some factual information so that I can form an opinion as whether to change my existing car to either a Cmax or smaller 4x4. But the only information that any newcomer can get from the thread is the drivel that the likes of Kanga and Clive spout at each other on not just this but in all threads (or it seems like it).
I have a Cmax 2 litre TDCi and my mate has a Hyundi Tucson 2 litre diesel. We are both happy with our lot, both cars tow our respective vans very well, Cmax is a bit better on MPG when towing 30+ tucson a bit less than 30. My advice is buy what YOU want, drive it sensibly, ignor the critics and get on with your own life.
No individual is being ignorred - just the silly postings I assumeAre we ignoring Clive as well as Kanga??
what is the criteria for a silly posting?No individual is being ignorred - just the silly postings I assume
Carn't help you there- never made one!what is the criteria for a silly posting?
have you lot not got anything sensible to say, we tow with a Discovery excellent fuel economy smooth ride and very spacious
Thank you Ann for a sensible input.
And well done for having a British car that is recognised as being one of the very best.
If you ever want a real laugh and a great time - go to the Land Rover show at Billing in July each year. Thousands upon thousands of people who appreciate the incredible ability of Land Rovers turn up - the majority in caravans!
This year was incredible. You can even take you Discovery on an off road course which will blow you mind as well as make you realise the sheer ability of the vehicle you drive.
And well done for having a British car that is recognised as being one of the very best.
If you ever want a real laugh and a great time - go to the Land Rover show at Billing in July each year. Thousands upon thousands of people who appreciate the incredible ability of Land Rovers turn up - the majority in caravans!
This year was incredible. You can even take you Discovery on an off road course which will blow you mind as well as make you realise the sheer ability of the vehicle you drive.
is this a five minute argumenthave you lot not got anything sensible to say, we tow with a Discovery excellent fuel economy smooth ride and very spacious
or have you paid for the full half hour ?
Oh no Michael - this will run and run - the reason? :-have you lot not got anything sensible to say, we tow with a Discovery excellent fuel economy smooth ride and very spacious
If you have all the facts in front of you - it is clear that there are two sides to any augument and that both side have a valid point.
This for Michael
Oh no Michael - this will run and run - the reason? :-
If you have all the facts in front of you - it is clear that there are two sides to any augument and that both side have a valid point.
Oh no Michael - this will run and run - the reason? :-
If you have all the facts in front of you - it is clear that there are two sides to any augument and that both side have a valid point.
Derek I have 2.0 tdci c-max tows really well but I am thinking of changing to a 4x4 so it will be for sale soon if you are interested.Ive just read this thread hoping to get some factual information so that I can form an opinion as whether to change my existing car to either a Cmax or smaller 4x4. But the only information that any newcomer can get from the thread is the drivel that the likes of Kanga and Clive spout at each other on not just this but in all threads (or it seems like it).
Thanks Clive, I'm quite partial to you too !!
And Daventura, if I AM Clive's type, then I am proud to be. He doesn't need to be abusive and ignorant to people to voice his opinion and is respectful of others as long as they are respectful to him. So am I. He, also like me, knows that in real life people are different, their wants and likes are different and he respects their choices and opinions, unlike other members of this forum who, I think, only come on here to abuse and deride others. Sad.
You can tell when people are losing an argument when they resort to profanity and childishness and although Clive may sometimes be provoked into a tit-for-tat scenario, and me too I'm afraid, who can blame him when his protagonists DEMAND that people abide by THEIR rules and absolutely refuse to accept that anyone else is entitled to the same.
And Daventura, if I AM Clive's type, then I am proud to be. He doesn't need to be abusive and ignorant to people to voice his opinion and is respectful of others as long as they are respectful to him. So am I. He, also like me, knows that in real life people are different, their wants and likes are different and he respects their choices and opinions, unlike other members of this forum who, I think, only come on here to abuse and deride others. Sad.
You can tell when people are losing an argument when they resort to profanity and childishness and although Clive may sometimes be provoked into a tit-for-tat scenario, and me too I'm afraid, who can blame him when his protagonists DEMAND that people abide by THEIR rules and absolutely refuse to accept that anyone else is entitled to the same.
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