Lunar Floor Failure

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Hi, I just noticed a post in the 'Brand Banter' section about a 2015 Lunar floor failure. It seems the floor in the kitchen area had become spongy to the point of being unusable. My brother in law has a 2016 Lunar with the same problem. We've put a sheet of plywood over the affected area so they can keep using it while waiting for a new section of floor to be fitted. This is a specialist job and may have to be done by Lunar themselves. We have a 2015 model Lunar and I've noticed our floor is starting to go in exactly the same place. Has anyone else had this problem? Surely this cannot be coincidence. I know that our regular service agent is unable to carry out the repair in the 10 hours Lunar have allowed them under the warranty. This is just not good enough.
I've posted this under General so that it gets maximum viewing. Lunar needs to sort this out.
 
May 7, 2012
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There has been a problem with Lunar floors and you will find plenty of threads on the various forums although our 2014 is probably too old for this. Ours does have a damp problem and I have to say I am pleased that Lunar accepted this promptly. I cannot say exactly how long but it was reported the day before we went on three weeks holiday and they had confirmed acceptance before we got back..
 
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Hello Homer,

The sponginess you refer to is also called delamination. It's not uncommon in caravans especially in high traffic areas like the door way and the kitchen areas.

There are repair kits for DIY and professional to use, and many on this forum have reported good results with them.

But the issue you bring relates to the responsibility of the caravan manufacture in these cases. Legally you only have redress against the person or business that sold you the caravan, i.e the seller. And you do have rights under 2015 the Consumer Rights Act.(CRA)

Essentially if a seller supplies goods that fail unreasonably within six years of the date of purchase, the customer has some rights to expect the seller to put it right. There are a number of steps you need to go though to satisfy the terms of the act, but in this case, the crucial point about whether the design or workmanship was adequately durable has been answered by the fact the repair agent has acknowledged the repair needs to be done, and they have refereed it to the manufacturer.I assume under the Manufacturers Guarantee. Did they offer you a choice to use the Manufactures Guarantee or your statutory rights under the CRA? Ill bet not!.

Now you have alluded the fact the caravan was purchased in 2016 but you don't tell us exactly when, becasue if you reported the issue within 6 months of from the date of accepting the caravan, your brother is in a very strong position to demand the seller repairs the caravan under the CRA - not the manufacturer guarantee.

Under the CRA faults that appear within 6 months are deemed to have been present or inherent at the time of taking control of the goods.such the seller must initiate repairs as soon as possible, and it does not matter what the manufacture thinks or says about it, it is the sellers responsibility to do it with the minimum of inconvenience or expense to the customer. That include collection and delivery to and from the dealers for assessment and repairs.

If its over six months, then the customer must be able to show the design was faulty or the workmanship was poor, or faulty materials were used, but as a repair shop has already identified the product has failed, that should not be a stumbling block.

Do not feel sad for the seller. The law is clear, they should not sell faulty goods. They have done, and they have made a profit on your brother's caravan, even though it is faulty. That is a breach of the CRA.

They had every opportunity to fully inspect the caravan for faults before it was sold to your brother. If they had done so, the fault would have been found and the caravan should have been returned to the manufacture for repairs or exchange before it reached your brother.

It is undeniable the manufacturer is the cause of the problem, and morally they should be held to account, but liability lies along the route of the contract, in which case its your brothers contract with the seller.

There is a twist to this, its quite possible your brother may have used a finance package to purchase the caravan, Under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act , the finance house carries a joint responsibility the goods purchased. So contact them also for support in the matter.
 
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Let's hope Homer's brother gets a satisfactory resolution to his problem.
Going off at a tangent I do know three people who have carried out their own delamination problems very satisfactorily.
However in this case the Lunar is less than 2 years old. Does cutting out part of the floor and patching with some new leave you in a good position? I would not be happy having this do be on such a new Lunar.
Looking to the future will a patch repair erode the future used value?
 
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Dustydog said:
Let's hope Homer's brother gets a satisfactory resolution to his problem.
Going off at a tangent I do know three people who have carried out their own delamination problems very satisfactorily.
However in this case the Lunar is less than 2 years old. Does cutting out part of the floor and patching with some new leave you in a good position? I would not be happy having this do be on such a new Lunar.
Looking to the future will a patch repair erode the future used value?

I strongly suggest the OP' brother should do some research into the CRA from for example the Consumers Association (Publishers of Which? Magazine) or the Money saving Expert.

On the point about loss of value, The seller is allowed just one attempt to repair the goods. If that repair is unsatisfactory , or has created a significant loss of value (i.e the repair is obvious) then the customer may have a case to force the seller to buy back the goods at the market value of the as if they had not been faulty. or to accept a refund equivalent to the loss of value.

As the sums involved could be substantial, I would suggest seeking processional advice,
 
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I do agree that there is good legal redress against dealer and if they will not do the repair then this may be neccessary. It is not the owners fault that the dealer and Lunar do not agree on the time it takes to do the repair and frankly I do not know which of them is right. The owner is entitled to have the repair done and there is ample proof on the web of this being a known fault on some Lunars so there can be no real defence to the claim. The full legal situation is well documented by the Prof although I would add if the owner is a member of either of the clubs they have very good legal helplines who must by now be experts in this kind of problem. Citizens Advice also have a good helpline, but if the claim starts to get more towards the value of the caravan then a solicitor might be needed.
 
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Must confess had 3 Lunars, - 1st. one was ex- demonstrator , didn't keep long, various problems including delamination, but thought that the amount of 'footfall' in a demonstrator was the reason for that, (should have known better!) Saw the van again on a site in Norfolk, recognized it from a sticker we'd left on it. Made a point of talking to the owner (without telling him it was ex me!) and I was aghast at the amount of problems he'd had with it!, - Got rid in time. Got another Lunar and again had delamination problems 'rectified' (bodged) by drilling and injecting from underneath. Cured the floor, - but does it destroy insulation? - Good van otherwise.
3rd one Lunar Frystar (based on the Quazar) - dealer special - can't remember any problems with it.
 

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For a start let me say that I have had a notification from one forum member suggesting that this topic may breach forum rules, it does NOT.
The problem with this maker is well documented and it is about time they actually DID something about it rather than doing nothing and hoping the unfortunate owner does not complain.

As for repair it I well known that injecting resin, either from underneath or above is very effective and makes the floor better than new, IF it is done correctly.
It also does not diminish the insulation properties.

As far as cutting a piece out of the floor, that is ridiculous and totally impractical and IF the dealer went ahead after I had said I did not want that, I would not take the van back.
Adding supports does nothing but add to the weight and in the floor there is nowhere to securely fix extra supports and the floor relies on completeness to give its strength.

The 10 hours to do the job indicates to me that Lunar are saying inject resin as 10 hours actual work is about right, do not count curing time as that is time when no work is taking place and warranty work is ONLY paid for actual time to do a particular job as if the faulty item is "On The Bench", it does not take into account preparation or access time , or replacing items after and preparing the van for handover.
 
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Hello Damian,
Whilst I wouldn't ask you to reveal who has complained about the topic, perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the complaint was?
 
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ProfJohnL said:
Hello Damian,
... perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the complaint was?
Presumably in regard to Rule No 4 in https://www.practicalcaravan.com/forum/our-website/48922-forum-etiquette : " You may not transmit complaints about named companies or caravan parks. Such individual issues should be taken up with the company direct".

However, if we could never mention a brand name in connection with discussing problems, or could only sing praises, then this forum would no longer serve much of its purpose.
 
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Homer
I can only reiterate the Prof's earlier advice. Your BIL needs to seek professional legal advice and have a full refund.
If you watch any video on caravan construction you will see all the floors are one whole piece. A patch repair is ridiculous and imo compromises the original integrity of the whole structure.
Please let us know how the case progresses. :)
 
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I agree that cutting out the affected area does seem drastic but wonder if the problem was discovered far too late and the area is simply beyond repair. I think I would be looking for an explanation as to why cutting out is needed and exactly how this would return the floor to a satisfactory condition and then look at legal advice if you are not happy.
If you are a member of either of the clubs a word with their technical helpline might be a good idea once you have the dealers explanation.
 
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I think you are right in the case of my brother in law's van. It was almost like stepping into a hole. In my case it's just a faint spongyness which could well be treated by resin injection. The problem I have now is one of timing. I don't want to take it in now and lose it for the summer. We're off to France at the end of August until mid October. I'll probably take it in then. I may even put some form of protection over the affected area to make sure it gets no worse.
 
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HomerS1 said:
I think you are right in the case of my brother in law's van. It was almost like stepping into a hole. In my case it's just a faint spongyness which could well be treated by resin injection. The problem I have now is one of timing. I don't want to take it in now and lose it for the summer. We're off to France at the end of August until mid October. I'll probably take it in then. I may even put some form of protection over the affected area to make sure it gets no worse.

I would think a sheet of plywood over the area would work, but might look odd, but like you despite having a claim, in our case damp, we want to use the caravan rather than leave it standing.
 
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Hello, back from our jollies on the south coast....Late last month, our dealer called to say Lunar want the caravan back for repair, this was due to damp up to 60% in our 2015 van. We are committed to various things until October, so the van will go in then. Since reading this topic, we have added floor failure to the list. Dealer has already been in touch with Lunar to confirm this will also be rectified. Well I live in hope.
Thanks to all who contribute, I have learned much from these forums, but I tend to shy away from trying to contribute using a smart phone and having fat fingers! Rick.
 
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dibs958 said:
I have learned much from these forums, but I tend to shy away from trying to contribute using a smart phone and having fat fingers! Rick.

KeefySher said:
There are varicose stylus type devices ... that are useful for the thick fingered or poor sighted on mobile devices.

Or get a PC with a keyboard. You can get excellent ones at silly prices on ebay, as people abandon them for smart phones, as is the fashion now.
 

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ProfJohnL said:
I have been giving this thread more thought, and it really is quite complicated

First of all Buckmaster, may I suggest you revisit your posts and remove/ replace any named references to the dealer and the finance house, to avoid any problems with the policy of the Haymarket about naming companies with which you are involved with a personal dispute. It's OK to name the make of the caravan (As long as its not defamatory) , because you do not have a personal dispute with manufacturer only the seller and or the finance house.

The complications Buckmaster is having in receiving a full refund may arise becasue there two pieces of consumer legislation in play here. The first is the Consumer Rights Act (CRA) and the second is the Consumer Credit Act (CCA) and there are three parties involved, the customer, the caravan dealer and the finance provider. This cannot be a unique situation as there are many people who by caravans using a PX and a finance agreement.

So why has it apparently gone silly this time. To be honest I'm not sure.

If you haven't done so already, I would strongly suggest you joint the Consumer Association (Publishers of Which) and take advantage of their legal advice service. Unlike general solicitors, "Which?" use specialist advisers well versed in consumer finance matters and has a good track record of helping its members getting a legal and fair result.

Have you added your reply to the wrong topic Prof? :)
I think that you might be thinking of This Thread
 

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