MIRO (Mass in running order) changes

[Parksy]

There are too many Johns
Righteous indignation just gone off the boil
Realise its the higher qualified John in the firing line

You're right : every Tom Dick and Harry is called John

Brilliant!

 

[Willi-Wonti]

Manufacturers have to define what's in their MIRO - in the case of gas cylinders it'll be whatever the caravan manufacturer chooses - it may be 26.8kg to represent 2x 6kg Calor cylinders at 90% capacity - but they may have chosen a completely different cylinder to base their calculation on. There's no requirement that they have to include a gas cylinder if they consider the caravan can be operated adequately on mains electric.
This is the problem with EU harmonisation - it doesn't work accurately if different countries, like UK and Germany, use products in different ways.

That is why I stated that each caravan should be weighed before delivery, then you know just what you can add not to overload it

 

[RogerL]

That is why I stated that each caravan should be weighed before delivery, then you know just what you can add not to overload it

But the gas cylinders won't be onboard when it's weighed !

 

[Willi-Wonti]

That is why I stated that each caravan should be weighed before delivery, then you know just what you can add not to overload it

But the gas cylinders won't be onboard when it's weighed !

What I am trying to say is if the van weighs 1400 kgs when it leaves the factory & the gross weight is 1600 kgs, you then know that you can only load 200 kgs total & that will include everything gas, clothing & what ever else you load into it

 

[ProfJohnL]

Which is taking us back towards the more conventional concept of MIRO where the R stands for running which refered to the trailers ability to be towed, rather than being lived in - in essence the Ex Works Weight

Perhaps the new regime should be called Mass In Living Order or MILO or MISO- Mass in Sales Order?

 

[colin-yorkshire1]

What I am trying to say is if the van weighs 1400 kgs when it leaves the factory & the gross weight is 1600 kgs, you then know that you can only load 200 kgs total & that will include everything gas, clothing & what ever else you load into it

but surely that is the point of having the true MIRO and a list of what it contains, essential equipment that the van uses that is not included in the MIRO comes out of the user payload 200kg seems a lot on paper but take the weight of the battery,gas bottles, waste and waterbuts, EHU cable, spare wheel, motor mover, onboard water ect 200kg dosn't look that great then add all the bits and pieces like tv's pot and pans and a awning and it's gone.
the new requrement only applies if your buying new it is easy to see what is included but these vans will be second user in a year or two so how do you know then what is included,