MTPLM differences

[mrjohnson]

I have a 2012 Citroen C3 Picasso 1.6 Hdi 90. The registration document says 1200kg. The handbook says 1200kg. The pillar label says 1000kg. Which is the right number?

 

[Guzzilazz]

The pillar label is the definitive for any car

 

[Woodentop]

Check with PSA UK.
Our last car was a Passat TDi 150 GT estate and the weight on line, on the label, and on the V5C were all different. It seems VW had changed the rating and the label had been changed but no-one bothered to tel the DVLA.

 

[Lutz]

Are you sure the pillar label says 1000kg or have you just subtracted the GVW from the gross train weight? You may still be able to tow 1200kg if the GVW isn't used to the full, so long as you don't exceed the gross train weight.

 

[mrjohnson]

Are you sure the pillar label says 1000kg or have you just subtracted the GVW from the gross train weight? You may still be able to tow 1200kg if the GVW isn't used to the full, so long as you don't exceed the gross train weight.

Pillar definitely says 1000kg braked.

 

[Lutz]

Pillar definitely says 1000kg braked.

Can you post either a photo of the details shown on the pillar or list them in text form? It surprises me that a weight plate should quote towload limits. They actually have no place on a statutory weight plate.

 

[Guzzilazz]

Can you post either a photo of the details shown on the pillar or list them in text form? It surprises me that a weight plate should quote towload limits. They actually have no place on a statutory weight plate.

You're absolutely correct, you HAVE to calculate it!

On my door pillar the upper most weight value is 2175kg, the second line is 3825kg, which makes the max tow weight (3825-2175)=1650.
The other two weights (in my case 1260kg and 1200kg) are permitted maximum axle weights.

 

[mrjohnson]

You're absolutely correct, you HAVE to calculate it!

On my door pillar the upper most weight value is 2175kg, the second line is 3825kg, which makes the max tow weight (3825-2175)=1650.
The other two weights (in my case 1260kg and 1200kg) are permitted maximum axle weights.

Picture of plate:

 

[Buckman]

The 1000kg is the maximum weight on the axle and not the towing weight. the 90okg is the maximum weight for the other axle. If you subtract 1779 from 2979 you get the towing figure of 1200kg

 

[mrjohnson]

The 1000kg is the maximum weight on the axle and not the towing weight. the 90okg is the maximum weight for the other axle. If you subtract 1779 from 2979 you get the towing figure of 1200kg

From clear as mud to clear as crystal. Thanks to all.

 

[ProfJohnL]

From clear as mud to clear as crystal. Thanks to all.

Well yes and no.

It is perfectly legally satisfactory to use the Gross Train Mass Minus the Gross Vehicle Mass calculation to indicate the MTPLM of the trailer you can use, It will always give a legal weight result.

But being more pedantic the calculation of GTM - GVM actually tells you the maximum permitted weight on the trailers axle when the tow vehicle is fully loaded. Some tow vehicles (not all) are rated by their manufacturer to be legally able to tow heavier trailers ( the tow vehicles maximum Towed Trailer Mass in the vehicles specifications), by virtue of every kg the tow vehicle is under its GVM limit can be transferred to the trailers (provided the trailers individual limits are not exceeded.)

Also the towed weight limit does not include the nose load which for technical reasons is not "towed" but carried by the tow vehicle. This can also give some outfits the opportunity to have a trailer whoes MTPLM exceeds the GTM-GVM value.

Both these situations have to be set up very carefully to take advantage of the extra trialer weight involved, so unless your desperate to eek out the greatest possible towing capacity, they're best forgotten.