p.i.r inspection

[ANTHONYB1]

Anthony, I am not entirely sure what that posting is supposed to mean.

What "jobsworts" do you refer to, what "palaces in the sky and what gold plated pensions?

As Read Caravans has said, this is legislation which is being forced on us all, users, workshops and site owners.

What it will more than likely mean is longer delays in getting repairs done, longer response times by mobile engineers and a situation which as workshops puts us in a situation which we would rather not be in.

We do not have palaces in the sky, or gold plated pensions, and if you think that the training and costs involved withthat make workshop staff "jobsworths" then I have issues with that.

Hello Damiem,the NCC are the governing body that make the rules and regs aren,t they.So how do they finance their salarys,Civil service or by the electical and building industy.

I think that they are the same body that stopped unqualified diy people rewiring a wall socket etc etc.

Anthony.

 

[forestgump]

like sproket said i to have done a pat test course and it dose not take that much time unless its a diffret course , pat [portable automatic testing] parts 1 &2 we did this through our company .This means i can check all our apliances at work and basic eletrics and issue a test cert to say its safe .[i could be wrong] but sounds the same to me .

 

[ANTHONYB1]

It could only happen in this country.

 

[Sproket]

What will happen to the foreign vans when they go to a site,

will they still get on,

Or is this already happening in Europe .?????

?

 

[forestgump]

they will all go to the nearst lay by.

 

[readcaravans]

its is NOT pat testing it is pir (Periodic Inspection Report). anyone wanting more details contact the ncc direct and find out for yourself.

 

[forestgump]

if its a caravan then its portable ie mobile .

 

[Rick1]

Probably the same as the foreign truckers, the rule will only apply to the honest caravanner, every one else will find away round it,

 

[forestgump]

i no you will say the porTable side isthe tester ie the test unit isportable to take to the thing to be tested.but i can test a moblie power plant porter cabin gennie set ect whats the diffrents

 

[Gabsgrandad]

4 hours to test a caravans electrics??

We've just had to have a new fuse box/distribution board/ RCD, new bonded earths fitted and every socket in the house tested and certificated ) for safety so B Gas would fit a new boiler .

( I don't know how many sockets there are and I'm not going to count 'em)

The 'trician wasn't anyway near 4 hours, and he was thorough I went round the house with him to show him where every socket was.

What have we in the caravan? So we can have it plugged in.

2/3 sockets, distribution board/RCD,/ battery charger/ transformer!!

4 hours come on you're you're having a larrf!

Also, when I was responsible for getting all Lincs. Centre CC portable electrical equipment pat tested. Which included boilers (11) Numerous flood lights and fluorescent light fittings, amplifiers and associated sound equipment.

Time in my garage? ::::::: Probably 1 - 1

 

[forestgump]

petjea in my work i ca inspect a tower crane 60 mtrs high and 60 mtrs of jib every nut bolt pin clip all eletrics alllimits switches all its ballast and comission it less than 4 hrs.[single axle caravan 4 hrs i dont think so.

 

[dougie_374468830]

I did my pir course at Read caravans in the summer.I am now legally obliged to offer it at annual service time. I have posted on here and other forums and been shot down in flames over this.

Now to be frank i couldnt care less if you get a pir done or not,As long as i get the disclaimer signed.

Some people think they know whats best for their caravans or are sparkies who can do it better than me. Maybe they do/can, again i dont care. I have the authorization and the book of certificates, and when you`ve scoffed and ridiculed and thought you`ve got out of it then end up being not allowed to hook-up at a site due to not having a pir at eight at night after travelling all day. Sure you will stomp and rage,complain loudly to all those around you who all have certs, you will only find sympathy in the dictionary between sh*t and syphilis. But you will only have yourself to blame because you thought you knew best.

So take the service guys advice and have it done because he is complying with the law, you are not.

As for getting a genny seems a bit like spending a pound to save a penny.

 

[forestgump]

will all sits need this cert to take our pir tested caravans

 

[dougie_374468830]

It does take four hours. Every appliance and some light fittings have to be disconnected as they dont like 500v flung at them. All void spaces opened up to check wiring condition. In total there is a 230 item checklist to get through.

But as Damian says, spend the grand and you can do it yourself.

 

[dougie_374468830]

According to the NCC and CITO all licenced parks will be asking for pir certs. I think the plan was to have all sites and dealers trained by April but i dont know how thats progressing

 

[MeonIan]

Sounds like another good reason to sell the van, fully booked sites, poor van build quality, rip off costs. I think I'll use it this year and sell up, can't see the point anymore, might just as well book statics for our main hols and either use the tent or b&b's for weekends. Such a shame as we love our van and only bought it new last year but it's one thing after another and I don't think it's worth it anymore.

 

[ANTHONYB1]

Has the NCC the rights/power to enforce site owners to abide by their rules,or can the site owners ignore them.

Has anyone ever had a problem/incident with hook ups on site.

Anthony.

 

[Dustydog]

I've yet to use an EHU that does not contain a RCB.

Whilst I can appreciate the PIR I do wonder exactly what it is we are trying to achieve. I am no fool but sometimes I think we take a sledge hammer to crack a nut.

Assume there is something wrong with the wiring surely the RCB will trip, unless of course some idiot has crossed the wires.

Allow three trips and then no more EHU.

Am I just too simple? What about all the Europeans who come over here for hols. Will they need certificates or receive an exemption??

Cheers

Dustydog .

 

[forestgump]

just like the european lorrys the will prob be let off they run with no tacho or speed limiter no drivers hours.but we have to ,so the sites will not turn down a pitch to some one or will they!

 

[Martin_E]

Some seem to have got hung up on how long does it take to look at the wiring in a caravan, as Damian, Reed caravans & Dean have said there is more to it than that, I think it involves things like how big the gap is for the air vents of the battery charger, how big the gap is under consumer units can a child get its fingers in the get and things like that

 

[thursdays child]

OH DEAR,more expense at a time when we can all least afford it.The reasons behind the ruling are all very laudable but what kind of RISK ASSESSMENT AUDITS have warranted the need for this procedure?

I apologise for the formal nature of this post but as a retire Company Senior Auditor it was part of my remit to setup and audit health and safety procedures.The procedures were compiled after an actual assessment of the risk involved.Not only the safety issues were taken into account but also the cost impact on a company was also a factor.ie:- is it cost effective for results gained?

See I do have a boring serious side!!!!!

Thursdays Child

 

[vernon]

Will campers in tents using an EHU be subjected to this test? If not take a pup tent with an EHU, and plug your caravan into that.

I wonder how sites will operate? Will they ban your entry to the site unless you can prove you have no electrical input, (our first two 'vans didn't), or will they prevent your connection to the EHU, if it's the latter, will caravaners connect surreptitiously at night?

 

[thursdays child]

And another thing!Presumably when this PIR testing becomes common practice the insurance companies will make it a requirement for insurance levies.The optimist in me hopes that the relevant certificate will warrant a discount but the realistic cynical side says it is more likely to result in a penalty cost for not being in possession of same!!!

I really must cease this "suit speak"!!!It resurrects work memories! All gone now!!!

Thursdays Child

 

[Pat_374304630]

Hi,

Thought I'd throw in my penny's worth.

Irrespective of time taken for the test, and also the cost, and our indignation of having this forced on us, if it is to be a ' LEGAL ' requirement, then we will need to comply. As much as I don't want to, I will comply os risk losing out on my beautiful hobby ' Caravanning '

 

[Parksy]

This thread raises some interesting issues. First of all a caravan park owner who supplies e.h.u. can ask to see a PIR certificate before allowing connection to ehu but in practice I wonder how many site owners apart from the two main clubs will routinely ask to see certificates?

What percentage of caravan owners have their caravans serviced every year? Certainly not 100% so is this could mean that a large proportion of caravan users will be effectively barred from using ehu on sites.

Caravans offered for sale will need a certificate, would it be illegal for a private vendor to sell a caravan with no PIR?

The 'refusal form' seems a bit of a red herring to me, what about the owners of caravans who never have their caravans serviced? I've read that owners will have to sign a refusal if they decide not to have the PIR inspection but can a caravan owner be made to sign, is it a criminal offence to refuse to sign the disclaimer?

I've no idea of the answers to these points, all that I do know is that servicing my t/a costs