Polestar 4 Long Range Dual Motor as a tow car

[Mr Plodd]

One vital bit of information missing was the cost of a new Polestar 4. So I have looked it up, and they START at £60k 😱 The long range dual motor version is £66k !!!
See here
That is stratosphericaly beyond my means, and I suspect that of the vast majority of forum members as well.
Just saying!

 

[RogerL]

One vital bit of information missing was the cost of a new Polestar 4. So I have looked it up, and they START at £60k 😱 The long range dual motor version is £66k !!!
See here
That is stratosphericaly beyond my means, and I suspect that of the vast majority of forum members as well.
Just saying!

Less than 20% of UK car sales are new cars - the majority buy secondhand and let someone else take the big depreciation hit.

I wonder what the % of UK caravan sales are new caravans.

 

[borderbilly]

Less than 20% of UK car sales are new cars - the majority buy secondhand and let someone else take the big depreciation hit.

I wonder what the % of UK caravan sales are new caravans.

I reckon new caravans sales are 100%, what with the great build quality and no running back to dealers. yes definitely 100%.

 

[otherclive]

Sorry for joining the thread drift but pray please tell where electricity generation comes from on a windless winters night? And, if all this renewable tech is so virtuous and cheap then why are the UK’s domestic electricity costs the most expensive in the world? Saving the planet is fine for those who can afford to be virtue signallers, however back in the real world most people cannot.

Just look at the annual figures for UK energy production and it’s quite obvious that solar doesn’t contribute at night, and on windless nights there’s nuclear, gas, bio and electrical connectors from Europe and Ireland. But the facts are indisputable that over 50% of UK energy production comes from renewable sources. As more installations and infrastructure come on line including HP2 , Sizewell C, SMRs and storage solutions the use of gas for electric generation will virtually disappear.

One area of common agreement is the need to divorce electric generation prices from global oil//gas prices.

 

[otherclive]

One vital bit of information missing was the cost of a new Polestar 4. So I have looked it up, and they START at £60k 😱 The long range dual motor version is £66k !!!
See here
That is stratosphericaly beyond my means, and I suspect that of the vast majority of forum members as well.
Just saying!

You will be okay in 3 years time buying a pre owned low mileage version. But I suspect used prices may start to stabilise more as folks overcome their apprehensions about full EVs.

 

[Tobes]

Whichever way you look at it some electric still comes from fossil fuel especially when there is no wind or solar. No one can get around or dispute the fact that at present trying to go net zero is destroying the country in more than one way! What is the point of trying to go net zero when pollution comes in from other sources out of our control? Agreed that we should protect the environment, but why destroy the environment at the same time with solar panels and wind farms neither of which help produce food? Surely a goal should be to become self sufficient in food before trying to go for a net zero goal myth?

The first statement is accurate. Some electricity (a diminishing minority) comes from fossil fuel.

The second statement- net zero is destroying the country in more than one way - has no basis in fact.

Neither solar nor wind farms prevent food production.

Presentation of net zero as a myth is a presentation of not understanding net zero.

 

[Tobes]

Sorry for joining the thread drift but pray please tell where electricity generation comes from on a windless winters night? And, if all this renewable tech is so virtuous and cheap then why are the UK’s domestic electricity costs the most expensive in the world? Saving the planet is fine for those who can afford to be virtue signallers, however back in the real world most people cannot.

Today, it would come from nuclear and/or gas. When was the last windless winters night?
UK electricity is expensive because we rely on gas for last kW generation and peg the cost of _all_ electricity to last kW price.
Thats a political and commercial decision, not a technical one. Break that link and on average the price goes down as consumers benefit from low cost renewable generation.

 

[Tobes]

One vital bit of information missing was the cost of a new Polestar 4. So I have looked it up, and they START at £60k 😱 The long range dual motor version is £66k !!!
See here
That is stratosphericaly beyond my means, and I suspect that of the vast majority of forum members as well.
Just saying!

Have you seen the price of a brand new Land Rover recently, a disco sport starts at 56k ? A brand new Santa Fe starts at over 45k.
The Polestar 4 competes with the Porsche Macanne E which start at an about the same price. None of these are cheap - indeed they are all very expensive cars. But they are all luxury market vehicles. Have a look at the CMC tow car of the year this year. The lowest price car is a mini electric countryman at 38k. Everything else is over 40k and the vast majority over 50k.
New cars are very expensive, independent of drive train.

I am not trying to justify the high cost, just to put it in perspective.

For what it’s worth, my previous Polestar 2 (55k new 4 years and 59,000 miles ago) was on autotrader for under 19k. It sold in a week.

 

[Dustydog]

Back on track The Polestar Spec is impressive .
If I had one I think I'd like a day with a boffin explaining all. 😜
Have you seen how many cameras it has🙃

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It's a must try. I really can't imagine not looking out of the rear window when reversing 😜

 

[Buckman]

The first statement is accurate. Some electricity (a diminishing minority) comes from fossil fuel.

The second statement- net zero is destroying the country in more than one way - has no basis in fact.

Neither solar nor wind farms prevent food production.

Presentation of net zero as a myth is a presentation of not understanding net zero.

Wow I thought you would have known better?

It is fact that at present net zero is destroying the country in many different ways. Ask the people who have been laid off and are now on benefits because someone has made net zero their personal goal. Ask the people who owned businesses that have shut because of high electric costs. The list is endless.

How can you grow food on a solar farm that covers many acres? Same probably applies to wind farms.

I do understand the concept of net zero and it is very frightening!

 

[Hutch]

Back on track The Polestar Spec is impressive .
If I had one I think I'd like a day with a boffin explaining all. 😜
Have you seen how many cameras it has🙃

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It's a must try. I really can't imagine not looking out of the rear window when reversing 😜

I very seldom look out of my rear window when reversing, I normally rely on the rear view camera, side window mirrors and the bumper sensors.

 

[otherclive]

I very seldom look out of my rear window when reversing, I normally rely on the rear view camera, side window mirrors and the bumper sensors.

And there is also the towball as the ultimate proximity gauge😱

 

[Dustydog]

I very seldom look out of my rear window when reversing, I normally rely on the rear view camera, side window mirrors and the bumper sensors.

I suppose on reflection it’s no difference to driving a van or HGV. Just a concept I have never seen.
Like you mirrors and reversing camera. Even before the camera the mirrors allowed accurate hitching up alignment. Got taught that by an old lag decades ago👍

 

[Gafferbill]

Harry's the guy!

 

[Tobes]

Back on track The Polestar Spec is impressive .
If I had one I think I'd like a day with a boffin explaining all. 😜
Have you seen how many cameras it has🙃

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It's a must try. I really can't imagine not looking out of the rear window when reversing 😜

Absolutely DD. The no rear window thing sounds very strange. But when you try it, (at least for me) it’s a complete non issue. A test drive is absolutely the right thing to do.

And the camera system is very very good.

 

[Buckman]

I very seldom look out of my rear window when reversing, I normally rely on the rear view camera, side window mirrors and the bumper sensors.

Out of habit I still use the rear view mirrors and occasionally the camera when in a car park.

 

[Oscarmax]

Yet again you make your deliberately misleading accusation that ignores the very substantial amount of power generation that comes from renewables. These days often more than 50% of our demand, is covered by renewables as Otherclive has frequently shown.

Obviously we do need to have alternatives to cover peak demands, but that is only needed on fewer occasions when for whatever reason renewables cannot meet demand.

The issue of cost and paying for standby generation is a political matter, and I agree the protocols do need to be revised, but there is no doubt that the use of renewables has reduced the power generators pollution, and is helping to preserve the finite resources of fossil fuels the planet has.

We export considerably more than we import and that includes charging up the PHEV, the knock on affect our electric bill including standing charge is zero plus our motoring cost our minimal.

Tobes interesting article especially as regard Winchester charging hub.

 

[ProfJohnL]

I thought we had buried these “Green “ debates 🙀
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We have certainly recovered the same points on many occasions and provided considered discussions as to why the anti renewables lobbies bullet points do not stand up to scrutiny, Yet the protagonists continue post in this forum with statements that reintroduce their deliberately provocative and provably inaccurate statements.

There is a difference between posting a point of view, and posting statements that are constructed to look like accepted facts. Its only right that when such inaccurate posts are made the balancing argument should be provided to allow readers to have access to all sides of the facts.

Sorry for joining the thread drift but pray please tell where electricity generation comes from on a windless winters night? And, if all this renewable tech is so virtuous and cheap then why are the UK’s domestic electricity costs the most expensive in the world? Saving the planet is fine for those who can afford to be virtue signallers, however back in the real world most people cannot.

As far as I know, no one has claimed the UK does not need an electrical supply system that has diversity in its generation capability to cover periods of high demand, and the occasions when wind and solar are not producing. That is why we need alternatives which include nuclear, gas, Hydro power, and connections to other power generators in Europe. But there is also the future of grid storage in batteries to cover low power generation or peaks, but that can also extend to home batteries, and battery to load or gid features in EV's to help match grid generation to load demands.

As for the cost of UK power, the price structure is set by UK politics, and our bills do not fairly represent the actual cost of production of the energy we use.

 

[Hutch]

I suppose on reflection it’s no difference to driving a van or HGV. Just a concept I have never seen.
Like you mirrors and reversing camera. Even before the camera the mirrors allowed accurate hitching up alignment. Got taught that by an old lag decades ago👍

When towing, I have a camera on the back of the caravan, which gives me a live view of the traffic behind me, so with the car mirrors, the extended towing mirrors as well the all round view when moving is great. Especially watching those hidden cars right behind the caravan.

 

[Tobes]

Wow I thought you would have known better?

Enlighten me.

It is fact that at present net zero is destroying the country in many different ways. Ask the people who have been laid off and are now on benefits because someone has made net zero their personal goal.

Outside of the industries directly impacted by net zero (coal mining, coal fired power, petrol refining), I would be interested to learn more about specific businesses that have failed or folded as a direct result of Net Zero policies. Can you point me to some? Be specific.

Ask the people who owned businesses that have shut because of high electric costs. The list is endless.

High electricity costs are _NOT_ a function of Net Zero. They are a function of the combination of high global wholesale gas prices, and the structure of the UK energy market. Adding more renewable energy to the grid has the net effect of reducing, not increasing, energy prices. That is a simple fact that can be verified by looking at spot energy and gas prices.

How can you grow food on a solar farm that covers many acres?

Do all solar farms get built on productive arable land? Is there any evidence of that at all? Most solar farms are built on either unproductive soil (thereby generating an income for the lad owner that was not achievable by traditional farming) or pasture, and the pasture can continue to be farmed with appropriate live stock.

Same probably applies to wind farms.

The same "probably" applies to wind farms? "Probably" as in you don't know? The last wind farm I visited (Kirk Hill) was built on unfarmable moor and heathland in Ayreshire. And here is a link to a picture of the Yelvertoft wind farm, just off the M1 near the M6. Seems very farmed around the base of each tower. https://maps.app.goo.gl/T3ZRawRgxyNjZq7q7

 

[Beachball]

If your carbon monoxide alarm has been trying to wake you up, and now your car is trying to as well, maybe you are too relaxed these days? If your fridge starts beeping at you as well, then I'd be concerned.

The fridge has already been beeping when I forgot to top up the pay to go system but that will not haven"t again already put £10 on the card (Emergencies) 😉

 

[borderbilly]

Enlighten me.


Outside of the industries directly impacted by net zero (coal mining, coal fired power, petrol refining), I would be interested to learn more about specific businesses that have failed or folded as a direct result of Net Zero policies. Can you point me to some? Be specific.


High electricity costs are _NOT_ a function of Net Zero. They are a function of the combination of high global wholesale gas prices, and the structure of the UK energy market. Adding more renewable energy to the grid has the net effect of reducing, not increasing, energy prices. That is a simple fact that can be verified by looking at spot energy and gas prices.

Do all solar farms get built on productive arable land? Is there any evidence of that at all? Most solar farms are built on either unproductive soil (thereby generating an income for the lad owner that was not achievable by traditional farming) or pasture, and the pasture can continue to be farmed with appropriate live stock.


The same "probably" applies to wind farms? "Probably" as in you don't know? The last wind farm I visited (Kirk Hill) was built on unfarmable moor and heathland in Ayreshire. And here is a link to a picture of the Yelvertoft wind farm, just off the M1 near the M6. Seems very farmed around the base of each tower. https://maps.app.goo.gl/T3ZRawRgxyNjZq7q7

These LAD owners must be rich kids 👌

 

[otherclive]

These LAD owners must be rich kids 👌

During a recent Countryfile programme a mixed agriculture farmer when interviewed said only 35% of the income came directly from farming. His wife worked part time, there was a farm shop, and holiday accommodation, plus ice cream production all of which made up the bulk of the income. Having a solar station, battery bank or wind tower(s) can make a big difference to a farmers livelihood and ability to continue to farm.

 

[RogerL]

During a recent Countryfile programme a mixed agriculture farmer when interviewed said only 35% of the income came directly from farming. His wife worked part time, there was a farm shop, and holiday accommodation, plus ice cream production all of which made up the bulk of the income. Having a solar station, battery bank or wind tower(s) can make a big difference to a farmers livelihood and ability to continue to farm.

Farmers have always needed to supplement their income - without them CL/CS sites wouldn't exist and neither would the Glostonbury Festival - renewable energy is no different in principle.

 

[Buckman]

Enlighten me.


Outside of the industries directly impacted by net zero (coal mining, coal fired power, petrol refining), I would be interested to learn more about specific businesses that have failed or folded as a direct result of Net Zero policies. Can you point me to some? Be specific.


High electricity costs are _NOT_ a function of Net Zero. They are a function of the combination of high global wholesale gas prices, and the structure of the UK energy market. Adding more renewable energy to the grid has the net effect of reducing, not increasing, energy prices. That is a simple fact that can be verified by looking at spot energy and gas prices.

Do all solar farms get built on productive arable land? Is there any evidence of that at all? Most solar farms are built on either unproductive soil (thereby generating an income for the lad owner that was not achievable by traditional farming) or pasture, and the pasture can continue to be farmed with appropriate live stock.


The same "probably" applies to wind farms? "Probably" as in you don't know? The last wind farm I visited (Kirk Hill) was built on unfarmable moor and heathland in Ayreshire. And here is a link to a picture of the Yelvertoft wind farm, just off the M1 near the M6. Seems very farmed around the base of each tower. https://maps.app.goo.gl/T3ZRawRgxyNjZq7q7

Can I suggest you take off the blinkers as one of the regular posters on here is one of the people who lost their employment! Secondly there is not need for me to be specific about businesses that have folded due to Net zero zealots. However, can I suggest that you use your fingers to use Google if you need more in depth knowledge. It is quite simple to use Google once you know how. 👍 🙂