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To be honest apart from a flurry of caravan activity Jul-Oct to us there’s been little discernible difference to our lifestyle irrespective of what set of regulations have been in place. I’m getting pub and restaurant withdrawal symptoms. At least it’s too dark for decorating 😷😷😷
Hi otherclive Well last season we only went away three times one of them we had to come home early fault on van but we always follow the rules and regulations that are in place This season our first booking is in April and like you looking forward going to the Pub and Restaurant also for Xmas presents we got these The Dining Out Card / Fridays they are for meals .when we are allowed to use them . Keep Safe
 
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Hope your right dustydog.
I was just going by the uk population being approx. 67 million.
2 million vaccinations a week.
8 million a month.
7-8 months???
Long time since I went to school🀣🀣
Obviously the sooner the better but there's a lot of people who rightly should get it before meπŸ‘
...except... The vaccine isn't licensed for under 18's nor pregnant /breastfeeding women. The figures published are for the 7 levels from the over 50's to the clinically vulnerable and medical/care staff. I believe that's about 30 million
 
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Covid is far from over.... With the way the new variant seems to be spreading, it takes fewer selfish irresponsible people to cause the damage we have seen. Sadly too many people seem to think its the Govts job to stop the virus. When in reality it is every individuals duty to prevent its spread.

I believe many have become tired of safe distancing practices, and are more tempted to take personal risks. But I have seen in my area far too many who just have no regard what so ever for themselves or others and goes some way to explain the rocketing infection rates.

Again its pertinent to reinforce the information that you do not get instant inoculation when you have the vaccination, it takes typically about three weeks for the vaccine to become efficacious. But it does not stop you from carrying or spreading virus so even though you may have personal protection others around you may not, and for that reason social distancing will still be necessary for several months to come to protect others.

We do have reason to be hopeful because of the vaccines, but I cannot stress enough that until a significant proportion of the population have developed an immunity, the risks from the virus are going to continue to be high.

And just a heads up, the new variety of the virus found in South Africa may have developed a new "spike" which the present vaccines will have reduced effect. Whilst it has bee detected in SA, we do not know how far it may have spread across the continent, and there must be a risk of being spread.
 

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......Again its pertinent to reinforce the information that you do not get instant inoculation when you have the vaccination, it takes typically about three weeks for the vaccine to become efficacious. But it does not stop you from carrying or spreading virus so even though you may have personal protection others around you may not, and for that reason social distancing will still be necessary for several months to come to protect others......
To be strictly accurate Prof, it is not yet known whether or not a person who has been vaccinated against C19 can still carry or spread the virus.
The research hasn't yet been carried out
 
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Covid is far from over.... With the way the new variant seems to be spreading, it takes fewer selfish irresponsible people to cause the damage we have seen. Sadly too many people seem to think its the Govts job to stop the virus. When in reality it is every individuals duty to prevent its spread.

I believe many have become tired of safe distancing practices, and are more tempted to take personal risks. But I have seen in my area far too many who just have no regard what so ever for themselves or others and goes some way to explain the rocketing infection rates.

Again its pertinent to reinforce the information that you do not get instant inoculation when you have the vaccination, it takes typically about three weeks for the vaccine to become efficacious. But it does not stop you from carrying or spreading virus so even though you may have personal protection others around you may not, and for that reason social distancing will still be necessary for several months to come to protect others.

We do have reason to be hopeful because of the vaccines, but I cannot stress enough that until a significant proportion of the population have developed an immunity, the risks from the virus are going to continue to be high.

And just a heads up, the new variety of the virus found in South Africa may have developed a new "spike" which the present vaccines will have reduced effect. Whilst it has bee detected in SA, we do not know how far it may have spread across the continent, and there must be a risk of being spread.

The SA mutated strain HAS developed different spike characteristics, not MAY, and the research into the effect on current vaccines is underway. You continue to keep criticising β€œselfish β€œ individuals but it cannot all be down to that grouping. Secondary schools have high infection rates. Not really surprising given the difficulty of keeping students apart whilst still providing education. One big infection source is household mixing. Again if students are in school and parents may still be working it’s not easy to prevent spread. Not everyone can retreat to their bunker. But by now I do think that everyone on this Forum has got the gist of your message.
 
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Prof, you are right to continually warn and remind about the necessary precautions everyone should be taking. But I think those on this forum are sufficiently informed, and you are preaching to the converted.

re. Vaccinations progress. Here’s one and two informative links.

How have Israel done so well and so quickly?



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Thank you I’ve been watching Bloomberg for a while now but the other link is useful. Israel started to use the Pfizer vaccine only on 19 December so their progress is remarkable. How they have achieved such a rate is not easy to ascertain, but possibly not having a Christmas prolonged holiday period may have helped. In comparison UK is still good but ramping up to 2 million doses a week will probably not be as quick as some would have us believe.

What is quite astonishing is the very low cumulative figures for the EU as a whole and individual countries. Null pointe. 😷😷😷
 
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... You continue to keep criticising β€œselfish β€œ individuals but it cannot all be down to that grouping. Secondary schools have high infection rates. Not re that has been directed by others including Gom'tally surprising given the difficulty of keeping students apart whilst still providing education. One big infection source is household mixing. Again if students are in school and parents may still be working it’s not easy to prevent spread. Not everyone can retreat to their bunker. But by now I do think that everyone on this Forum has got the gist of your message.

I have not suggested the selfish are the only means of transmission. I keep mentioning them becasue they are fairly unique in so far that they make choices and choose to endanger others. Technically they are in breach of moral and the restriction standards.

Schools and University's or the activity of going to them have I am sure been involved as one of the transmission routes. As were Christmas family gatherings.

Whilst I am lucky in that I do not have to work, and indeed many forum members may be in the same position, I have not suggested every one should "retreat into their bunker" but I do suggest that everyone should consider if their activities are endangering others.
 
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Nearly 11 months of lockdown you would think the Authorities would know by now who these selfish people are spreading C19. I have my own suspicions but Forum Rules allow no further comment. It is clear those Forumites on here are NOT spreading anything . In this regard I thank you all for being part of the sensible majority.
Sadly Prof some things are beyond our control. You only have to see the state of some of the criminals who get imprisoned each week!
40000 retired medical professionals have volunteered to help with the vaccination program. They are required to complete a 28 page questionnaire, including β€œdo you know how to deal a person from an ethnic minority back groundβ€œ. One of our own GPS retired last year and he knows exactly to how to behave and do injections. How sad someone in authority somewhere in the system is putting hurdles in the way of accelerating the vaccination programme.😒😒😒
 
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I have not suggested the selfish are the only means of transmission. I keep mentioning them becasue they are fairly unique in so far that they make choices and choose to endanger others. Technically they are in breach of moral and the restriction standards.

Schools and University's or the activity of going to them have I am sure been involved as one of the transmission routes. As were Christmas family gatherings.

Whilst I am lucky in that I do not have to work, and indeed many forum members may be in the same position, I have not suggested every one should "retreat into their bunker" but I do suggest that everyone should consider if their activities are endangering others.
Prof, I understand your genuine concern about the rapid transmission of C19, especially in view of the new strains that are more easily transmitted.
As you suggest, we should all adhere to the latest government guidelines to try to restrict the spread of this terrible virus.
There are many of us who regularly use this forum who are vulnerable and are self isolating, and I haven't noticed any postings on the message boards which encourage the disregard of government advice or rules with regard to lockdown and C19.
With the greatest respect Prof, I'm beginning to wonder if the regular apparent browbeating about the need for forum members to 'consider their activities' is becoming counter productive.
I don't mean to try to stop you from giving your thoughts about the current health crisis, but as others have previously stated, yes, we know, we've got the message thanks.

I'm very happy that our online community has shown such a responsible attitude in every respect, there has been no need for any moderator intervention even when politics have been touched upon.
The forum subject matter is expanding to encompass other aspects of life under lockdown, which again is no bad thing because caravan related activity is virtually non existent at this time.
I'm sure that all forum members will take heed of your warnings Prof, but we don't want to over-egg the pudding to drive members away. 😊
 
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Nearly 11 months of lockdown you would think the Authorities would know by now who these selfish people are spreading C19. I have my own suspicions but Forum Rules allow no further comment. It is clear those Forumites on here are NOT spreading anything in this regard I thanks you all for being part of the sensible majority.
Sadly Prof some things are beyond our control. You only have to see the state of some of the criminals who get imprisoned each week!
40000 retired medical professionals have volunteered to help with the vaccination program. They are required to complete a 28 page questionnaire, including do you know how to deal a person from an ethnic minority back ground. One of our own GPS retired last year and he knows exactly to how to behave. How sad someone in authority somewhere in the system is putting hurdles in the way of accelerating the vaccination programme.


Some years ago I volunteered for Wessex 4x4 response so that I could assist when road conditions made driving in normal cars difficult or not possible. Living in Wiltshire I had to complete a very long CRB/DBS form. Wiltshire police considered me to be a contractor to the police authority. Although it was all voluntary with no payment from any public funds. The form was geared to contractors working in police premises. It was very intrusive. My bank and financial status as well as wife’s. Details of any family or friends with criminal records; spent records were to be revealed. Details of credit cards, addresses going back years. On and on it went. It took 8 months to process it and even the charity could not advance it. Dorset in comparison had a 3 page form which was processed quickly. Only in the event of Dorset police raising a query would additional information be required.

Britain has the innate ability to add layers of bureaucracy to any official activity.
 
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Since the outbreak we have only been aware of two confirmed cases in people we are acquainted to. Both ladies in their 80's, both died. Today we heard that someone in our Close has it.

My wife is waiting a knee op. but accepts it will be a long time, two years down the line and she has not actually had a face to face consultation. Lucky for her it has gone a lot better all on its own.

Out friend across the street has had serious medical issues since she was a girl. She also needs the knee op. She is further down the line than my wife. But they want to get her into the local private hospital. But that seems unlikely as her other problems could lead to complications which they may not be equipped for. She is waiting for a decision.

Today she went into hospital for a third issue, kidney stones. She was told that it is a big one and needs an op. But sent her away with tablets for 3 months. 🀞

It highlights the other problems which are mounting up during this time.

John


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Hospital phoned our friend, knee very bad, full replacement needed. They will do it at the private hospital but have no idea when that might be.
 
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I had an MRI scan and a hip x ray booked for later this month but they've both been cancelled by the department because of lockdown.
They told me that they will only be doing chest x rays until further notice.
 
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Since the outbreak we have only been aware of two confirmed cases in people we are acquainted to. Both ladies in their 80's, both died. Today we heard that someone in our Close has it.

My wife is waiting a knee op. but accepts it will be a long time, two years down the line and she has not actually had a face to face consultation. Lucky for her it has gone a lot better all on its own.

Out friend across the street has had serious medical issues since she was a girl. She also needs the knee op. She is further down the line than my wife. But they want to get her into the local private hospital. But that seems unlikely as her other problems could lead to complications which they may not be equipped for. She is waiting for a decision.

Today she went into hospital for a third issue, kidney stones. She was told that it is a big one and needs an op. But sent her away with tablets for 3 months. 🀞

It highlights the other problems which are mounting up during this time.

John


Update.

Hospital phoned our friend, knee very bad, full replacement needed. They will do it at the private hospital but have no idea when that might be.
Hi Jcloughie
With Covid being the headliner at the moment we can only hope that this will soon be under control for everyone. Hoping by then your wife and other people who need treatment can then get the help they deserve. Faith is an important thing to have at this time and hope for the future, there is a lot of negativity out there but keeping positive will make the time go quicker. , Keep Safe.
 
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I had an MRI scan and a hip x ray booked for later this month but they've both been cancelled by the department because of lockdown.
They told me that they will only be doing chest x rays until further notice.
Hi Parksy
With everyone in the same boat at the moment it is hard when someone needs extra support from the NHS. being patient and keeping positive as you know that you will be able to have these investigations and then [hopefully] a good result will take time. Hope that these will not take too long, Keep Safe.
 
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Yesterday my cousin in Leicestershire rang me and told me that her and her husband had both caught Covid. She Is recovering fine as is her husband. He was quite fortunate in that twelve months ago he was being treated for non Hodginsons Lymphoma. They have been ultra cautious throughout but they caught it from their son who developed symptoms the day after he had seen them. But she did admit that he had been in the house for about an hour and hugged his father as they wouldn’t be together for Christmas. On the other side of the family my wife’s nephew and family all have it. They live in Kent and the nephew and wife both work in the NHS with children in primary and secondary school. All are recovering well.

But over Christmas I was surprised not to have received a letter from an old friend in Karachi that together with that an Indian we all shared an office when at Naval College. After spending 37 years in the Pakistani Navy he was instrumental in establishing the Hunar Foundation 10 years ago. The foundation aims to train Pakistani men and women students in vocational skills to help lift them and their families out of poverty. My friend was still on the Hunar Foundation management team. But sadly I was notified this morning that he had died on Christmas Day of Covid. Having been friends since 1975 I really feel his passing even though we have only met three times since. Sad times.
 
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Sorry to hear of these sad stories from Parksy ,Clive and John.
I may be luckier. I am due to see a knee Consultant at the BMI Bath on the 20 th January. Not bad considering my GP referred me on the 1st December. It seems the NHS are paying the private hospitals for orthopaedic work. The BMI near me has no appointments for at least a year. Hence Bath which is 30 minutes away. Seems to be a post code lottery. I hope you guys and your families get sorted soon. Maybe it’s worth looking further afield for treatment. Apart from Gabs has anyone else been offered the vaccine yet?
 
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Sorry to hear of these sad stories from Parksy ,Clive and John.
I may be luckier. I am due to see a knee Consultant at the BMI Bath on the 20 th January. Not bad considering my GP referred me on the 1st December. It seems the NHS are paying the private hospitals for orthopaedic work. The BMI near me has no appointments for at least a year. Hence Bath which is 30 minutes away. Seems to be a post code lottery. I hope you guys and your families get sorted soon. Maybe it’s worth looking further afield for treatment. Apart from Gabs has anyone else been offered the vaccine yet?
It’s an oft under reported fact that certainly in the Bath area the NHS have been referring patients to one of the two private hospitals since well before Covid came along. Two friends of ours have each had a knee replacement plus one hip. All three ops were carried out in the local Bath private clinics under NHS funding. and have made so much of an improvement to their quality of life, albeit slightly counterbalanced by successive lockdowns and travel restriction. But at least they can exercise more comfortably.

Hope your visit goes well.
 
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Re Israeli vaccination "success"... 12% of 8.6 million is a million people. Depending on how you want to compare things, you could say the UK has done well with 25% of the over80's already having been vaccinated
 

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