Damian
Moderator
Whilst it may seem overly complex, it is a requirement that any injection the name of the person, age and contents of the syringe are checked by 3 people to ensure the right dose is given to the right person.
Whilst it may seem overly complex, it is a requirement that any injection the name of the person, age and contents of the syringe are checked by 3 people to ensure the right dose is given to the right person.
I have a lot of respect for Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, MBE. Chief Medical Officer for England
I have watched his carefully measured presentations at the Covid Briefings, and he manages to present the information logically and clearly, something I do with politicians would do.
He also answers the questions put to him, rather than trying to divert a discussion to suit a political point.
On the subject of the longer term prospects, he and I have independently come to similar conclusions, a point my wife will attest to when we have watched some of the briefings.
I have watched his carefully measured presentations at the Covid Briefings, and he manages to present the information logically and clearly, something I do with politicians would do.
He also answers the questions put to him, rather than trying to divert a discussion to suit a political point.
On the subject of the longer term prospects, he and I have independently come to similar conclusions, a point my wife will attest to when we have watched some of the briefings.
On the point about continuing to be able to infect others whilst having been vaccinated,
It goes further than that, there is an increasing body of evidence that despite having been vaccinated or having been infected there is a chance of actually catching the virus for a second or more times.
However the evidence also suggest these subsequent infections produce much milder symptoms. This is why I strongly believe Covid-19 is here for a long time but as the proportion of the population who are vaccinated increases and develop fewer serious symptoms the danger the virus presents also diminishes and as has been suggested will become less of a disaster and more of an annoyance like the flu or heavy cold.
We do need to continue to with preventative measures until a significant majority of the population have been vaccinated.
It goes further than that, there is an increasing body of evidence that despite having been vaccinated or having been infected there is a chance of actually catching the virus for a second or more times.
However the evidence also suggest these subsequent infections produce much milder symptoms. This is why I strongly believe Covid-19 is here for a long time but as the proportion of the population who are vaccinated increases and develop fewer serious symptoms the danger the virus presents also diminishes and as has been suggested will become less of a disaster and more of an annoyance like the flu or heavy cold.
We do need to continue to with preventative measures until a significant majority of the population have been vaccinated.
There were only two in our injection room. The doctor and a nurse/HCA entering our details. Same with our daughter at Salisbury hospital.
With me in the vulnerable group we have not been in contact with our granddaughters for 11 months might live in the same town but we have kept in contact with our mobiles,
Same for us.
Seems there are some variations in the organisation of the programme, but to be expected. Still a phenomenal achievement.
Can’t fault our experience, quick, efficient, friendly from start to end. As I was waiting in a short queue, a member of staff came back to tell the entrance volunteer to expect 1 more. They had just vacinated 1 man who said his wife was in the car but was not booked for another hour. They were going to wait. That did not make good sense so they used common sense to overrule.
John
It’s been a long time since I’ve had an attractive, tall, blonde Dutch lady press my arm for a minute. 😷
The government vaccination delivery plan only mentions Cohorts 1-9 (down to 50 years) in phase 1 and in phase 2 will consider other key workers and age groups. But it doesn’t specifically mention vaccinating all down to 18 years.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ivery-plan/uk-covid-19-vaccines-delivery-plan
Mel
Moderator
The vaccine programme has 2 initial aims. 1st. Prevent death ( so vaccinate the over 70sand CEV) 2nd. reduce the pressure on the NHS by preventing/ reducing hospitalisation. ( so vaccinate the 50s to 60s and those with underlying health conditions). Then you are in the same position as other infectious diseases like flu where people get sick but don’t die in huge numbers and don’t overwhelm the NHS.
Simples.
mel
Simples.
mel
The Gov't has said they are purchasing enough vaccine for the whole of the UK, I can't see them getting away without providing vaccine for all eligible ages.
Whilst I could not find any documentation from the Government about vaccinating the under 50's, there are numerous (Unsubstantiated) reports in the newspapers web pages about how the Gov't intends to do it. I don't doubt the intention is there, but as yet there is no published plan.
I understand from the BBC all adults over 18 will be vaccinated by autumn 2021 if they wish. Children under 18 are not mentioned other than they are not considered a risk??
But agree no U.K. Gov explanations about anyone under 50🤬🤬.
But agree no U.K. Gov explanations about anyone under 50🤬🤬.
That’s precisely what I said above and gave the link to HMGs published plan.
There is a scientific view that leaving some sections of the population unvaccinated gives the virus a transmission path albeit a reduced one. This allows infected people to develop resistance against the actual virus not a vaccine. It has been said this could be a benefit as cutting off all paths could lead to multiple mutations. But I guess the juries still out on such theories.
There is no written down plan by JCVI on Phase 2 (Phase 1 won't be finished for a while), but both Matt Hancock and others in this week's press briefings have said words to the effect of "injecting the rest by autumn 2021"
I think mass vaccination down to the 18 year old age groups could be playing to the media. Phase 2 should include key workers eg social workers, police, F&R, teachers, possibly transport, and clinically vulnerable. All otherS below 50 years could be eligible for vaccination on payment. Just like if you require certain vaccines or medications to go abroad, and as per the flu jab.
There are already 15 million people already vaccinated and those in cohorts 5-9 yet to come. So all cohorts 1-9 will require second vaccination within 12 weeks of the first, and probably a booster some months later. When the Phase 2 people start to be vaccinated hasn’t fixed. Yet they will need two vaccinations and probably a later booster too. Not loosing sight of the seasonal flu which whilst it may have been knocked on the head for this year trying to identify the predominant strain will be difficult. But the normal candidates for flu will still require their shots this Autumn, otherwise the flu may sneak round the door and bite. Do we really want to keep sports grounds, cathedrals, exhibition centres going ad infinity?
Giving vaccinations to everyone down to 18 years tends to contradict the cost benefits. Surel we don’t want trauma, cancer, renal specialists,gp and nursing staff tied down indefinitely as premium vaccinators. They key aim should be to get them back working to the wider benefit of the communities where rather than a young cohort of vaccinated people the NHS can address the massive build up of medical care that has been delayed due to Covid. The costs in money and people’s lives caused by delayed diagnosis and treatment of medical conditions must far outweigh the cost benefits of a vaccination for all policy. The aim must be to control the virus such that the incredible pressure on the NHS staff is much reduced and that the build up of delayed treatments and future treatments is managed.
There are already 15 million people already vaccinated and those in cohorts 5-9 yet to come. So all cohorts 1-9 will require second vaccination within 12 weeks of the first, and probably a booster some months later. When the Phase 2 people start to be vaccinated hasn’t fixed. Yet they will need two vaccinations and probably a later booster too. Not loosing sight of the seasonal flu which whilst it may have been knocked on the head for this year trying to identify the predominant strain will be difficult. But the normal candidates for flu will still require their shots this Autumn, otherwise the flu may sneak round the door and bite. Do we really want to keep sports grounds, cathedrals, exhibition centres going ad infinity?
Giving vaccinations to everyone down to 18 years tends to contradict the cost benefits. Surel we don’t want trauma, cancer, renal specialists,gp and nursing staff tied down indefinitely as premium vaccinators. They key aim should be to get them back working to the wider benefit of the communities where rather than a young cohort of vaccinated people the NHS can address the massive build up of medical care that has been delayed due to Covid. The costs in money and people’s lives caused by delayed diagnosis and treatment of medical conditions must far outweigh the cost benefits of a vaccination for all policy. The aim must be to control the virus such that the incredible pressure on the NHS staff is much reduced and that the build up of delayed treatments and future treatments is managed.
I was under the impression that medical staff from the services like army, navy and air force were assisting?
Damian
Moderator
IMO all essential public facing workers should have already had the jab.
.........how NHS and ambulance staff, care workers, vaccinators, police, school staff, bus drivers and many more turn up for work every day is truly amazing.
I would feel badly let down if I was one of them.
.........how NHS and ambulance staff, care workers, vaccinators, police, school staff, bus drivers and many more turn up for work every day is truly amazing.
I would feel badly let down if I was one of them.
We have two grand children 400 miles away in Wales who we did not see at all last year and both sides cannot wait. Despite that we have taken the cautious approach and provisionally booked for late August.
Having had mine and my wife now down for Monday, we are hoping we will be safe.
Having had mine and my wife now down for Monday, we are hoping we will be safe.
I don’t think the services have 8000 medical staff these days. That’s probably the Army’s total deployable battle group strength. But they have their normal roles to fulfil at some stage. 8000 that is the number of service personnel involved in Covid related tasks. St John’s are training vaccination staff but these are all volunteers, but the hubs still have to be provided and supported.
Five of your leading categories have had the vaccine under phase 1. And it’s likely the other categories will get it in phase 2 anyway.
Civilian police and fire service staff have been trained to drive ambulances and give vaccinations to increase the pool of trained volunteers.
Mel
Moderator
The vaccine isn’t licensed for use with children. There would need to be an additional licensing, presumably based on more trials. This is common when drugs etc are developed to primarily treat adults.
mel
On a personal note with NHS, my wife and I have had both jabs in December and again January so that is out of the way . Regarding waiting times in hospitals , again I am grateful that after my GP could not help with my problem the hospital consultant said he would follow it through with me. I had several things done all very quick and same consultant wrote me a letter this week telling me how it had gone and one more appointment this week coming this to hopefully to be last one. Truly they have been great for want of a better word.
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