I would if I knew how, Alan
Alternatively, you could do it.....seeing as it was you who sent it to me in the first place
Alternatively, you could do it.....seeing as it was you who sent it to me in the first place
Ok , I'll go chicken and ask Steve the Mods to do it. I think he may have to "forward " e-mail it to those he thinks can handle it.Soozeeg said:I would if I knew how, Alan
Alternatively, you could do it.....seeing as it was you who sent it to me in the first place
Dustydog said:
I'm not expecting to get a degree but I'm now researching the above out of inquisitiveness even if I'm using Google to do so
Rumour has it that Bali is thr home of the Phallus and the Swastika. Lesbos is clearly a home of the Lesbians and I believe some of the pacific Islands eg Cook and Fiji etc are also partial to a portion. This means our beloved students will have to travel to these far distant places to enhance their studies and of course have a bloody good holiday. Then they will need the mandatory gap year helping the Aussies imbibe Fosters and Castlemain.Lord Braykewynde said:Dustydog said:
I'm not expecting to get a degree but I'm now researching the above out of inquisitiveness even if I'm using Google to do so
And there was my dad telling me to keep a stiff upper lip
More weird courses.
1. Astrobiology – ET phone home. The University of Glamorgan in the UK offers a degree in Astrobiology, which is the search for life beyond earth. So if hunting for alien life is your thing consider a career in Astrobiology
2 Think your house is haunted? Convinced you are the Gatekeeper and desperately looking for the Keymaster? Then don't worry, there is someone you can call.
Not the original Ghostbusters alas, but spook-hunting students who are taking a degree in parapsychology.
We will explore the paranormal and try to explain why things happen
The 12 masters students won't be armed with ghost traps and proton guns but they will come with cameras, motion detectors, tape recorders and electromagnetic sensors.
Any spine-tingling noises or images will be recorded to find out whether a reported haunting is real or naturally explained.
The £3,200 part-time two-year course at Coventry University is run by psychology lecturer Tony Lawrence, who is (surprise, surprise) a big Ghostbusters fan. He will teach students how to chase poltergeists, talk to the dead and understand telepathy.
They will also learn about mediums, extrasensory perception and phantoms.
Dr Lawrence, 35, has been investigating spooks for 15 years and will use his experiences on past ghost hunts to help students
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/13129-ghostbusters-degree-for-university#ixzz17uxG0ys9
3 SURFING
Cornwall College and Plymouth University make use of their locations near the surfing meccas of the English south-west to offer courses in the sport
4 GHOSTBUSTERS
Investigating the paranormal has become a hobby for increasing numbers of people across the UK, with groups rushing to check out tales of hauntings.
Coventry University offers a course in Yvette Fielding Most Haunted-type ghost hunting, officially known as the psychology of exceptional human experience.
5 GAMBLING
It's never been easier to gamble online and at casinos, and there is now a university course in the subject as well.
Manchester's Salford University offers a gambling and leisure management course.
It features instruction on gambling skills and techniques as well as the business and ethics side of the business.
Words fail me
1. Astrobiology – ET phone home. The University of Glamorgan in the UK offers a degree in Astrobiology, which is the search for life beyond earth. So if hunting for alien life is your thing consider a career in Astrobiology
2 Think your house is haunted? Convinced you are the Gatekeeper and desperately looking for the Keymaster? Then don't worry, there is someone you can call.
Not the original Ghostbusters alas, but spook-hunting students who are taking a degree in parapsychology.
We will explore the paranormal and try to explain why things happen
The 12 masters students won't be armed with ghost traps and proton guns but they will come with cameras, motion detectors, tape recorders and electromagnetic sensors.
Any spine-tingling noises or images will be recorded to find out whether a reported haunting is real or naturally explained.
The £3,200 part-time two-year course at Coventry University is run by psychology lecturer Tony Lawrence, who is (surprise, surprise) a big Ghostbusters fan. He will teach students how to chase poltergeists, talk to the dead and understand telepathy.
They will also learn about mediums, extrasensory perception and phantoms.
Dr Lawrence, 35, has been investigating spooks for 15 years and will use his experiences on past ghost hunts to help students
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/13129-ghostbusters-degree-for-university#ixzz17uxG0ys9
3 SURFING
Cornwall College and Plymouth University make use of their locations near the surfing meccas of the English south-west to offer courses in the sport
4 GHOSTBUSTERS
Investigating the paranormal has become a hobby for increasing numbers of people across the UK, with groups rushing to check out tales of hauntings.
Coventry University offers a course in Yvette Fielding Most Haunted-type ghost hunting, officially known as the psychology of exceptional human experience.
5 GAMBLING
It's never been easier to gamble online and at casinos, and there is now a university course in the subject as well.
Manchester's Salford University offers a gambling and leisure management course.
It features instruction on gambling skills and techniques as well as the business and ethics side of the business.
Words fail me
Talking of Glasgow University reminds me on one of Big Aggie Macdonald’s tales. Aggie was a well know clippie on the Glasgow tram network all her life. One day she was sitting at the terminus checking her tickets on the back side seat when this youth ran up and shouted to her’ Hey missus, does this tram go the university’ Aggies smiled and replied ‘Naw son, it’s no that intelligent’.
However, to comment on the surfing course. My neice is Australian and basically dropped out of school to go surfing among other sailing activities. She became good enough to come to the Uk and get a job as sailing instructor at a sailing school here. She and her partner (who is Scots) are going back to Oz for Xmas to see the family and they are taking no clothes, only a surfboard. My mind imagines the fun at the checkin, but evidently it is all arranged.
However, to comment on the surfing course. My neice is Australian and basically dropped out of school to go surfing among other sailing activities. She became good enough to come to the Uk and get a job as sailing instructor at a sailing school here. She and her partner (who is Scots) are going back to Oz for Xmas to see the family and they are taking no clothes, only a surfboard. My mind imagines the fun at the checkin, but evidently it is all arranged.
That is not what uni's were founded on, it was for those of exceptional talent those who form the top 5% to 10% of brightest talented pupils and not every tom dick or Mary.
Maybe that's where our education system is going wrong, what with that and with many thinking that is the ONLY way to "better oneself"! no wonder we are in the shite.......Far too many are going to uni that do not need to,
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now whos living in crapland then me or the person who wrote that the truth is without a good education your boats sunk before it is launched those of us who are old enough remember how it used to be remember how it was when the elite went to uni and the other 90% were wrote of at the age of 11 god help us if those days ever came back. the only voices of discontent come from those who went through uni under the old system re-enforcing the myth that the only kids able to suceed are the ones from good backgrounds and fee paying schools in other the words the elite themselves.
They have an income, night school is available to them, empting dustbins one day, but management of waste disposal could be in there sights within a couple of years,studying something they actually know about would be helpfully! or they could do night school in another field, 3 years at uni is not the make all and be all of life! and yet i am starting to believe so many think it is, no wonder the poor student of today has so many worries if they are being led to believe this utter rubbish.
the only rubbish is in the bins that have to be emptied by the ones above binman by day waste management consultant by night do us a favour. my son is now a research chemist in the petro chemical industry having done both pre and post garduate degrees in chemistry and geology and is working on creating new bio fuels.
my daughter on the other hand now works for a mainstream bank dealing with foriegn currencies and speaks 5 languages currently learning 3 more due to the expansion of europe her basic degree was in econmics but took on other courses besides the her core diploma to get the qualifications she needed.
anyone who believes either of these kids of a working class miner is not deserving of the university education they got and the life style they now have or they could have got to the same position by filling tesco shelves by day and going to night school is just living in cuckoo land .
a little true story here folks after the pits shut I went to work in the local glass factory shoveling cullet "broken glass" into a funace on the forehearth footplate in 200 degrees of heat because it was the only job I could get, 20years on after progressing through the ranks to quality control manager was made redundant by the "newly installed" production director of the company he was 24 years old and straight out of uni after completing a degree in social what ever it was he had no experience in the glass industry at all but got the top job all the same, oh I forgot to mention his father was the CEO of the parent company.
after being made redundant found it impossible to gain access into any company at managerial level because I had no qualifcations for it and ended up back at the bottom order picking in a warehouse. hard work never got me anything other than a bad back but at least my kids wont have to do it due to the education they recieved and made use of.
if the eliteist 10% dont like it stuff em.
colin
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Maybe that's where our education system is going wrong, what with that and with many thinking that is the ONLY way to "better oneself"! no wonder we are in the shite.......Far too many are going to uni that do not need to,
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now whos living in crapland then me or the person who wrote that the truth is without a good education your boats sunk before it is launched those of us who are old enough remember how it used to be remember how it was when the elite went to uni and the other 90% were wrote of at the age of 11 god help us if those days ever came back. the only voices of discontent come from those who went through uni under the old system re-enforcing the myth that the only kids able to suceed are the ones from good backgrounds and fee paying schools in other the words the elite themselves.
They have an income, night school is available to them, empting dustbins one day, but management of waste disposal could be in there sights within a couple of years,studying something they actually know about would be helpfully! or they could do night school in another field, 3 years at uni is not the make all and be all of life! and yet i am starting to believe so many think it is, no wonder the poor student of today has so many worries if they are being led to believe this utter rubbish.
the only rubbish is in the bins that have to be emptied by the ones above binman by day waste management consultant by night do us a favour. my son is now a research chemist in the petro chemical industry having done both pre and post garduate degrees in chemistry and geology and is working on creating new bio fuels.
my daughter on the other hand now works for a mainstream bank dealing with foriegn currencies and speaks 5 languages currently learning 3 more due to the expansion of europe her basic degree was in econmics but took on other courses besides the her core diploma to get the qualifications she needed.
anyone who believes either of these kids of a working class miner is not deserving of the university education they got and the life style they now have or they could have got to the same position by filling tesco shelves by day and going to night school is just living in cuckoo land .
a little true story here folks after the pits shut I went to work in the local glass factory shoveling cullet "broken glass" into a funace on the forehearth footplate in 200 degrees of heat because it was the only job I could get, 20years on after progressing through the ranks to quality control manager was made redundant by the "newly installed" production director of the company he was 24 years old and straight out of uni after completing a degree in social what ever it was he had no experience in the glass industry at all but got the top job all the same, oh I forgot to mention his father was the CEO of the parent company.
after being made redundant found it impossible to gain access into any company at managerial level because I had no qualifcations for it and ended up back at the bottom order picking in a warehouse. hard work never got me anything other than a bad back but at least my kids wont have to do it due to the education they recieved and made use of.
if the eliteist 10% dont like it stuff em.
colin
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I never went to uni but managed to better myself and end up as a FE college lecturer and a member of the CIOB. This was achieved by part time day and evening study at my local college many years ago. Neither my parents or myself could afford for me to go to uni. My son attended the same college as myself and eventually achieved his HND in Construction and was accepted into the University of Glamorgan as a part time day release student on Construction Management. His employer refused him the day off per week so he finished there and we supported him at uni for two years and he came out with a 2:1 Hounours in Construction. He is now a Building Control Officer in private industry with a damn good job, company prospects and chance of promotion. His present employers have arranged for him to go back to UniGlam for further study in Fire Regulations (part time day release). He is also a fully payed up member of the Association of Building Engineers.
On the other hand my daughter could not wait to leave school and also to leave home and live with her boy friend at the time. We were disappointed with her approach to her future life but did not tell her. She is now 40 years of age and is a Faculty Manager for the local health authority. She realised the errors of her ways and studied off her own back to achieve a successful career and security in work.
It is in my opinion not whether one has a degree or not - it is the individual approach to success. If they want to achieve a good career with prospects and security I am sure if they are of the right frame of mind they achieve their goals by shear "get up and go" and make something of their life. Encouragement and leadership from their parents is also of prime importance - I do not mean that paents dictate what career the youngster takes but whatever choice they make the parents support and encourage them.
On the other hand my daughter could not wait to leave school and also to leave home and live with her boy friend at the time. We were disappointed with her approach to her future life but did not tell her. She is now 40 years of age and is a Faculty Manager for the local health authority. She realised the errors of her ways and studied off her own back to achieve a successful career and security in work.
It is in my opinion not whether one has a degree or not - it is the individual approach to success. If they want to achieve a good career with prospects and security I am sure if they are of the right frame of mind they achieve their goals by shear "get up and go" and make something of their life. Encouragement and leadership from their parents is also of prime importance - I do not mean that paents dictate what career the youngster takes but whatever choice they make the parents support and encourage them.
I see this is another topic degenerating into the usual war of words between two people..........oh for PMs!!!!!!! (where's a rolling eyes icon thingy when you want one?).
sorry sue,could you please point out my errors to me,i am trying, so what exactly have i wrote that makes you feel this to be the case? as i am more than happy to reword or remove offensive writing. regards jonnySoozeeg said:
interesting stuff,after all are you not contradicting yourself? you lost a job to a uni graduate ! and make a point of mentioning he had no idea and was more to do with nepotism! prior to that you made a statement concerning you own kids,thankfully educated in proper subjects and not micky mouse ones,and indeed did not come from a elitist background as you love to harp on about,proving your own statement to be very misleading/rubbishcolin-yorkshire said:
But underneath it all you appear to be more concerned in elitism or the perception of it,something that in my response i made no mention of and your response to me seems to be based on anti elitism,and not ability and talent and maybe [i should have added worthless degree's] in my earlier statement.
And then you carry on "crapland" ! oh dear you have trouble distinguishing between "good education" and going to university!
Wisdom doesn't necessarily,come with a degree,nor age for that matter,and you clearly show that with your response,yes you can stack shelves and do night school, do nvqs ect,what i see here is someone who resents elitism and then actually advocates it with his response that there is no other way to get out of the doldrums unless you do uni! and indeed demean any qualification lower than a degree!
Well done mr elitist..........you clearly think like one!
PS, my wife worked stacking shelves and doing night school she may not have a degree but is a CIMA qualified accountant,might not be grand enough for you,But its good enough for us.
Jonny, I haven't found your posts offensive. All I meant was quite often in topics which are popular and have lots of posts, it seems that two people (not necessarily you! Or should I say not always you!
) end up having protracted arguments between themselves, which don't involve anybody else and quite often don't have a lot to do with the original post. And it's then a bit of a pain having to scroll down past the arguments between A and B, in order to get to any other posts. That's all.
And here's lil ol' me, sat all innocent like watching it get heated and not partaking in the debate. See, my reputation in the past wasn't deserved because it wasn't me who caused posts to deteriorate or get personal
Now goes and sits back in the corner doing a crossword mumbling about silly people getting irate over nothing
Now goes and sits back in the corner doing a crossword mumbling about silly people getting irate over nothing
interesting stuff,after all are you not contradicting yourself? you lost a job to a uni graduate ! and make a point of mentioning he had no idea and was more to do with nepotism! prior to that you made a statement concerning you own kids,thankfully educated in proper subjects and not micky mouse ones,and indeed did not come from a elitist background as you love to harp on about,proving your own statement to be very misleading/rubbish
Right lets get this straight I am in favour of good education for all and that means all kids not just the top 5-10% and all should have the opportuity to go to university if they wish to full stop. restricting uni places to the top 10% and excluding the other 90% is the elitest attitude I was going on about, you talked about the brightest kids only going to uni but if that senario was true there would be some la di da kids of rich folk emptying the dustbins that is never going to happen is it. going to a good fee paying school with an automatic right to follow in daddies footsteps should not be a birthrite but in our society it is.
all the top jobs go to the old school tie chums and the very people that are making our kids pay dearly in later life for there uni course all had a free university education I will repeat that a free university education. if they were serious about proper funding for universities they would introduce a retrospective payment for their uni places but theres no chance of that either.
second.I did not lose my job to a uni graduate I lost my job because of a uni graduate theres a difference the "new broom" so to speak decided to cut costs and thought a QC manager was expenable along with 8 other senior managment and 10 junior managment posts. because I had no qualifications other than expertise learned over many years on the job found it impossible to find another post of similar status and no before anyone mentions it there was NO courses or BA's in glass manufacture.
time was when the only way to suceed in industry was to work your way up from the btm most senior managers did just that spending most of theirs lives in one company now it is all different you start at the btm and stay there the senior managers are drafted in or head hunted often straight from uni with some degree or other that why a university degree is so appealing why start at the btm when you can get in there at the top I dont blame the kids for that far from it.so not all will suceed fine at least they have the chance that more than we had.
as for the charge of being elitist myself if being the proud parent of kids that went to uni and got degrees qualifies then guilty as charged
Right lets get this straight I am in favour of good education for all and that means all kids not just the top 5-10% and all should have the opportuity to go to university if they wish to full stop. restricting uni places to the top 10% and excluding the other 90% is the elitest attitude I was going on about, you talked about the brightest kids only going to uni but if that senario was true there would be some la di da kids of rich folk emptying the dustbins that is never going to happen is it. going to a good fee paying school with an automatic right to follow in daddies footsteps should not be a birthrite but in our society it is.
all the top jobs go to the old school tie chums and the very people that are making our kids pay dearly in later life for there uni course all had a free university education I will repeat that a free university education. if they were serious about proper funding for universities they would introduce a retrospective payment for their uni places but theres no chance of that either.
second.I did not lose my job to a uni graduate I lost my job because of a uni graduate theres a difference the "new broom" so to speak decided to cut costs and thought a QC manager was expenable along with 8 other senior managment and 10 junior managment posts. because I had no qualifications other than expertise learned over many years on the job found it impossible to find another post of similar status and no before anyone mentions it there was NO courses or BA's in glass manufacture.
time was when the only way to suceed in industry was to work your way up from the btm most senior managers did just that spending most of theirs lives in one company now it is all different you start at the btm and stay there the senior managers are drafted in or head hunted often straight from uni with some degree or other that why a university degree is so appealing why start at the btm when you can get in there at the top I dont blame the kids for that far from it.so not all will suceed fine at least they have the chance that more than we had.
as for the charge of being elitist myself if being the proud parent of kids that went to uni and got degrees qualifies then guilty as charged
Chris Om said:
The UK money pit is not bottomless, if you want a Uni place you should be prepared to pay I'm afraid but you shouldn't pay second fiddle to wealth and Eton or Harrow.
Spot on mate.
I still want to know who lectures in some of these weird subjects
The UK money pit is not bottomless, if you want a Uni place you should be prepared to pay I'm afraid but you shouldn't pay second fiddle to wealth and Eton or Harrow.
Spot on mate.
I still want to know who lectures in some of these weird subjects
Colin your ideas seem pretty fair. But atop the pyramid of your society with the scenes where "going to a good fee paying school with an automatic right to follow in daddies footsteps" and "the top jobs go to the old school tie chums " is Royalty. When you knock the top of the heap off then you can change the old sytems. Whilst people sit back and suck in all the guffawing about Royalty and Lords n Ladies the Eton and Harrow types from wealthy familes maintain there place in the heap. But according to RogerB earlier in this section to think of changing the current system is moronic.colin-yorkshire said:
Because you don't like the system you don't have to hate Royalty or the bosses son that took your job.
All the people at university should be bright, and I think that is very debatable in itself. But the idea that top jobs still go to those from wealthy homes and posh schools is a little over the hill. One of my children has a 'TOP' job and never went to university, just got there by blagging posho socialist ex university lecturer bosses and using self taught computer and IT Microsoft and Adobe skills with self taught programming. Gets paid bonuses bigger than the former owner partner company director bosses as well and is very young for the job.
The UK money pit is not bottomless, if you want a Uni place you should be prepared to pay I'm afraid but you shouldn't play second fiddle to wealth and Eton or Harrow.
OK I've shut up for long enough nowcolin-yorkshire said:
You are condoning what is wrong with this country colin. I'm afraid the red flag is flying across your face and clouding your vision. The simple reason kids coming straight to the top in any profession is wrong is because of lack of experience. This is another reason the country is in the proverbial. As a class warrior your rant about only the wealthy and toffs going to university is also wrong and you know it. I'm also sure all of us know kids who have been to university, because there are so many these days, who finish and end up in jobs that in my youth you went to night school to qualify or you got the job and then went to night school. This money has to come from somewhere and I begrudge paying taxes on my pension just to pay for some kid to add a few more years education? to end up as a secretary, buyer or sales rep. I use the last two jobs from experience. Two of my nieces went to university, at great expence to their parents, AND the rest of us, to end up doing jobs they could qualify for at sixth form college.
I also have a grandson who is at sixth form but ask him what he wants to do career wise and he hasn't a clue. My eldest grandaughter is also at sixth form but she has already been promised a place at Lancaster university and has an interview at Cumbria university. She wants to become a teacher but as you will probably remember, teachers went to teacher training college in our day, not university. Most places of any size had them, as we did in Hereford, which meant kids could stay at home without having to fund digs, transport etc. Their parents could also keep an eye on what they were getting up to.
As I said, there are so many kids going to university today and ending up with non descript jobs that they will hardly have to pay tuition fees, if any at all.
I've had a warning not to make any posts in relation to party politics on here, so I'll just post a link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11971164
Lisa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11971164
Lisa
If the university got rid of all the mickey mouse degrees they would not have to pay these lecturers to teach these worthless courses. Then they woudl not have to build extra facilities. The knock on effect is that when these kids realise that mickeey mouse degrees are no longer available, they probably will not bother with university and we will not have student riots by unwashed unemployed non tax paying students!
What is a "Mickey Mouse" degree? who can say what degree is appropriate and what is not? I understand what is generally being said but to others of a different diposition and outlook might think that a degree on Coronation Street is well worth studying. By studying these "obscure" courses they have proven that they are capable of studying and passing exams - what use to society in general they are is another question.
Lord Braykewynde said:colin-yorkshire said:OK I've shut up for long enough now
You are condoning what is wrong with this country colin. I'm afraid the red flag is flying across your face and clouding your vision. The simple reason kids coming straight to the top in any profession is wrong is because of lack of experience. This is another reason the country is in the proverbial. As a class warrior your rant about only the wealthy and toffs going to university is also wrong and you know it. I'm also sure all of us know kids who have been to university,
my old friend I am not acctually condoning the practice merely commenting on the way it is having been in industry since 1985 it is the way things have changed. once upon a time you worked your way up after getting a foot on the premotion ladder I assume it was the same in the ambulance service the more you learned the more you gained. but since leaving the glassworks I have seen just the opposite when vacancies arise for positions higher than team manager all the jobs in all 3 warehouses I have worked at went to outsiders drafted in most have been uni graduates, some it is true come from other parts of the business but the vast majority have been people under 30. is this why the countrys in the verbal quite possibly but it is not going to change any time soon. in my opinion experience counts for nothing these days if it did most senior manager would be over 50 instead of under 40..
As a class warrior your rant about only the wealthy and toffs going to university is also wrong and you know it. I'm also sure all of us know kids who have been to university,
please read what I acctually wrote not what someone thinks I wrote. the suggestion that only the top 10% of kids should go to uni was not mine I merely mentioned that if that was the case THEN only the toffs and the wealthy from good schools would be eligable to go. never have I written that all kids that go to uni ARE toffs in fact just the opposite IMO most kids get a far better education now that they ever did. just think back to how it used to be with a two tier education system when we at school.
started a 5 by going to junior school untill the age of 11 when the 11+ came round if you passed you went to grammar school and where taught all the acedemic subjects that allowed you to take O and A levels with the chance of a place in a university or some career that had good prospects
however if you failed the 11+ you went to the secondry school so called because it was second class where the subjects taught were practical not acedemic O amd A levels were not possible niether was futher education unless you took up a apprenticeship of some kind most kids just went into dead end jobs like me in the pit.
wether you passed the 11+ or not depended a lot on the junior school you attended the really good ones had a high pass rate the poor ones a very low rate infact out of our year only one passed and she was not allowed to go to grammar school because her twin sister failed. the good junior schools were hard to get into as well as most of the kids were bussed in from afar "sound familier"
I still remember some of the quesions even though is was over 50 years ago. I had no idea how to divide a fraction and algebra was something a magician said when he made a rabbit "disappear" such was the way education was stuctured.
unfortunatly some would turn the clock back 50 years and reintroduce the grammer schools that would be a shame as there is no longer the apprenticeships around to help the kids that did not make it.there.
Students have every right to demonstrate about the hike in tuition fees in England.
The divisions that have been created by the break up of the United Kingdom, that have allowed the Scottish and Welsh assemblies to have different arrangements for education, healthcare and other service provision is seen by most of England as highly inequitable, and unfair. We see on a smaller scale postcode lotteries for so many things that are supposed to be provided as part of ‘national’ services. – we do not have a level playing field and as a consequence are far from a United Kingdom now.
But regardless of how inequitable these differences are, there is no justification for the rioting that has taken place. I believe that sadly too many of these incidents are orchestrated by a few who are hell bent on causing damages and disruption, and these nominally peaceful and lawful demonstrations are an ideal opportunity for the few to wreak the havoc they want, and to do it indiscriminately.
Often the ringleaders can bee seen to be “pushing the limits” both physically and metaphorically, but because they choose to hide their identities behind masks, it is difficult to bring them to book. Perhaps if it were made an offence to hide your face (identify) when demonstrating that might enable the few to be plucked out and thus defuse the situations before they arise.
As for the cost of policing these events, in my area, and I am sure I other parts of the country there has been a cost to demonstrating. For the last few years now the local council has put many obstacles in the way of legitimate organisations for example the Scouts Association parading on St. Georges Day, and parades on Remembrance Sunday. The Police force can be hired to cover the event, but a considerable cost, so rather than the traditional parade through the streets, they are now restricted to a collective service, and inspection in a pedestrianised side street.
Police cover has only been provided for Remembrance Day, and being cynical one could say that only because they also lay wreaths.
Yet other highly ethnic and controversial events are covered with council grants etc.
But in all of this the Police are only strictly necessary because of the few opportunists that seek to take advantage of the events for malicious, or nefarious activities.
Perhaps I‘m being optimistic in believing there are only a ‘few’ who are the protagonists!
The divisions that have been created by the break up of the United Kingdom, that have allowed the Scottish and Welsh assemblies to have different arrangements for education, healthcare and other service provision is seen by most of England as highly inequitable, and unfair. We see on a smaller scale postcode lotteries for so many things that are supposed to be provided as part of ‘national’ services. – we do not have a level playing field and as a consequence are far from a United Kingdom now.
But regardless of how inequitable these differences are, there is no justification for the rioting that has taken place. I believe that sadly too many of these incidents are orchestrated by a few who are hell bent on causing damages and disruption, and these nominally peaceful and lawful demonstrations are an ideal opportunity for the few to wreak the havoc they want, and to do it indiscriminately.
Often the ringleaders can bee seen to be “pushing the limits” both physically and metaphorically, but because they choose to hide their identities behind masks, it is difficult to bring them to book. Perhaps if it were made an offence to hide your face (identify) when demonstrating that might enable the few to be plucked out and thus defuse the situations before they arise.
As for the cost of policing these events, in my area, and I am sure I other parts of the country there has been a cost to demonstrating. For the last few years now the local council has put many obstacles in the way of legitimate organisations for example the Scouts Association parading on St. Georges Day, and parades on Remembrance Sunday. The Police force can be hired to cover the event, but a considerable cost, so rather than the traditional parade through the streets, they are now restricted to a collective service, and inspection in a pedestrianised side street.
Police cover has only been provided for Remembrance Day, and being cynical one could say that only because they also lay wreaths.
Yet other highly ethnic and controversial events are covered with council grants etc.
But in all of this the Police are only strictly necessary because of the few opportunists that seek to take advantage of the events for malicious, or nefarious activities.
Perhaps I‘m being optimistic in believing there are only a ‘few’ who are the protagonists!
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