Terrano v Discovery

[PC_5119929]

I love 4 x 4's and have driven loads, we have two new Disco 3 at work and they are brilliant to drive and very quiet and comfortable.

As said the one I drive will not start and the dealer was taking it away this morning, the other one at our Salisbury branch has had problems as well.

I've met loads of LR owners who have reliable cars until you really get talking to them and the little problems start to slip out in conversation. My wifes lady boss had new Freelenader last year it went to the dealer every month for 18 months for little bits and pieces to be sorted out, it was OK though she met her new husband there. A Landrover fanatic who had his troublesome car in a number of times the same as her. They struck up a friendship battling with the dealer over the constant shared problems.

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

Unfortunately yes Wendy and that's what put me off along with seeing my son in laws maladies with his - my Range Rover had an ECU failure which filled the sump with petrol and the engine almost litterally blew up, the temp sensor went, the air con never did, a pipe blew of the plenum chamber and the backfire nearly gave my wife a heart attack, two wheels were porus and caused permanent slow punctures, the engine leaked oil badly, the transfer box leaked, the front swivels leaked, the back shock bushes went & I could go on.

Maybe you along with a few others have just been unlucky. Admittedly there are faults with LR along with umpteen other cars, but you never get the same publicity, and being one of the few British companies left, this is where the sensationalism comes in. The CC have never had anything good to say about LR either. Putting all aside we would never consider any other 4X4, my husband would rather slit his own throat!! ;O)

 

[lessirrocc]

we have a disco 3 and it is a joy to drive and tow with but it is to small for the dogs in the back. the only problem we have had is when it went in for its 30000 miles service they found a problem with the electronic park brake and kept it for two weeks trying to sort it out .

 

[Guest]

Electronic parking break is not exactly Rocket Science and should not be a reliabilty issue.

I think they got the space shuttle out and back and gave it a full check over quicker! Not my idea of good reliable car and good service and still the same treatment as we had for years with LR products.

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

we have a disco 3 and it is a joy to drive and tow with but it is to small for the dogs in the back. the only problem we have had is when it went in for its 30000 miles service they found a problem with the electronic park brake and kept it for two weeks trying to sort it out .

Les, I don't know who your main dealer is, but we get superb service from ours. Any problems, straight in, courtesy car, problem sorted, back again usually on the same day!!

 

[chelsea1]

we have a disco 3 and it is a joy to drive and tow with but it is to small for the dogs in the back. the only problem we have had is when it went in for its 30000 miles service they found a problem with the electronic park brake and kept it for two weeks trying to sort it out .

Les, what sort of dogs do you have?! pretty big?...we have a german shepherd and our next car is going to be the disco 3 - thought she'd fit perfect into it?

 

[sparkes]

got a disco, done 80k miles and all it has needed was a new set of disc's and pads. total bill

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

I've never posted on a Forum before but we read this site some times for information and as a long suffering wife of a former Land Rover owner I would like to give a womans view.

Luv him dearly but hubbies roots are in the world of farming so he was brought up with his head under the bonnet of old Landrovers that towed to market and chugged across fields and as a lad his Dad had one of the first Discoveries.

As city based folk now we've headed for the country and our vans every spare moment we get, with a growing family we progressed to a twin axle van that needed a bigger tow car. Hubbies colleague was emigrating and needed a quick sale for his lovely Disco whiich was handed over at Heathrow when he dropped them for the one way flight. Ten miles up the road the well serviced low mile beauty boiled up and broke down, we had three years of Hubby back to his youth of head under bonnet and when we got to camp sites telling all about our Great Disco.

Promotion and a new van resulted in a demo 11 month old city dealer TDI so we could spend more time together as a family instead of viewing legs or bum sticking out from the old worshipped Disco. We spent more time together as a family as the car spent many a weekend in the dealers and the new van was litle used, at the end of the guranteee period I was told nothing else could go wrong as so much had been replaced it was like a new car.

My calls for the Disco to be sold fell on deaf ears and three weeks later it needed a new cylinder head thing and a month later some gearbox problems cost us our long planned trip to Spain.

We had made some trips to France and a variety of French dealers were part of our sight seeing of course, the TDI never made Spain as It was to far to risk it.

A trip to some show and Hubby put a deposit on a TD5, a far more refined car than the previous Disco's but the kids and I could have cried. We had suffered years of Disco fever and Owners club magazines and uprated parts catalogues, we made it on Holiday that year in comfort as the dealer lent us a Range Rover as the TD5 was making rather expensive noises. We were off to Spain three years on from our first planned trip. We made it there and back in style and comfort with only six or seven trips to dealers in France and Spain including a lift back to the camp site in a TDI that broke down.

As a lady who likes to drive briskly Disco's are like Whales cornering and heavy rock and roll should be something on Hubbies

70's CD collection not the way the not the way the car corners.

Disco's are toys for boys, they are wonderful as I've heard very many exchanged stories on camp sites about how good they are followed by a list as long as your and my arms of all the problems and bits that have broken or have been uprated or modified by some specialist or DIY car fanatic like my Alan.

Eyes set on a Disco3 Alan decided it was not worth divorce and half a house and bought a lovely Audi that is refined and has only been serviced and had trips to Sainburys for a few Nectar Points at the pumps.

For any lady out there, if he gets the owners club mags and thinks of joining the Farmers Union for the insurance deals, look out.

I know nothing about Terrano's but know to much about the lovely Disco's.

 

[DavidW1]

I've never posted on a Forum before but we read this site some times for information and as a long suffering wife of a former Land Rover owner I would like to give a womans view.

Luv him dearly but hubbies roots are in the world of farming so he was brought up with his head under the bonnet of old Landrovers that towed to market and chugged across fields and as a lad his Dad had one of the first Discoveries.

As city based folk now we've headed for the country and our vans every spare moment we get, with a growing family we progressed to a twin axle van that needed a bigger tow car. Hubbies colleague was emigrating and needed a quick sale for his lovely Disco whiich was handed over at Heathrow when he dropped them for the one way flight. Ten miles up the road the well serviced low mile beauty boiled up and broke down, we had three years of Hubby back to his youth of head under bonnet and when we got to camp sites telling all about our Great Disco.

Promotion and a new van resulted in a demo 11 month old city dealer TDI so we could spend more time together as a family instead of viewing legs or bum sticking out from the old worshipped Disco. We spent more time together as a family as the car spent many a weekend in the dealers and the new van was litle used, at the end of the guranteee period I was told nothing else could go wrong as so much had been replaced it was like a new car.

My calls for the Disco to be sold fell on deaf ears and three weeks later it needed a new cylinder head thing and a month later some gearbox problems cost us our long planned trip to Spain.

We had made some trips to France and a variety of French dealers were part of our sight seeing of course, the TDI never made Spain as It was to far to risk it.

A trip to some show and Hubby put a deposit on a TD5, a far more refined car than the previous Disco's but the kids and I could have cried. We had suffered years of Disco fever and Owners club magazines and uprated parts catalogues, we made it on Holiday that year in comfort as the dealer lent us a Range Rover as the TD5 was making rather expensive noises. We were off to Spain three years on from our first planned trip. We made it there and back in style and comfort with only six or seven trips to dealers in France and Spain including a lift back to the camp site in a TDI that broke down.

As a lady who likes to drive briskly Disco's are like Whales cornering and heavy rock and roll should be something on Hubbies

70's CD collection not the way the not the way the car corners.

Disco's are toys for boys, they are wonderful as I've heard very many exchanged stories on camp sites about how good they are followed by a list as long as your and my arms of all the problems and bits that have broken or have been uprated or modified by some specialist or DIY car fanatic like my Alan.

Eyes set on a Disco3 Alan decided it was not worth divorce and half a house and bought a lovely Audi that is refined and has only been serviced and had trips to Sainburys for a few Nectar Points at the pumps.

For any lady out there, if he gets the owners club mags and thinks of joining the Farmers Union for the insurance deals, look out.

I know nothing about Terrano's but know to much about the lovely Disco's.

Untill you get a car that really is reliable and just "goes" you put up with all the troubles and think all cars are like that. I am just like your husband and was always under the bonnet or underneath our Range Rover.We bought a Shogun and I simply couldn't believe the difference, it didn't leak oil it wasn't rusty, always started, never broke down was smooth to drive and was cheap to service. It was full of gadgets too and they all worked and just kept working, nothing ever "fell off".

We now own an Isuzu and it's just the same - it liberates you to get a life and actually go on trips without worrying if you will make it!

 

[Stephen_5122599]

I pick up the Superstorm next Saturday (29th July) using my friend's Kia Sorento (I like the Kia but really want 7 seats).

My head is going to win and I think I've ruled a Disco out, so it looks like it's going to be a Terrano or maybe a Shogun?

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

I think what you say is correct David W. I have just seen Wendy's comments on you earlier thread. The only Hype involved with Land Rover product reliabiltty is the one spread that only a few owners have problems.

Wendy even posts that gear box "problems" were sorted out in later models. So she admits to one problem at least. Like many Land Rover owners, it was ony teething problems. Sorry but we had three Disco's with gear box and engine problems amongst others and met many many other people who shared our experiences including family and friends.

Underneath the Land Rover hype, on campsites despite owners loving them as conversations went on it became apparent that nearly everyone we ever met had some "teething problem" that just happened to be very expensive and took a long time to put right.

Wendy mentions that it is the only British 4 X 4 left. She mentions "hype" but Land Rover are Owned by Ford an American company, I believe that Ford bought them from Germanys BMW.

One has to wonder why the Germans would sell such a Gem. My husband is in Engineering at a senior level, I understand from him that Ford have threatened to move Land Rover production out of this country to the USA. Part of the reason lies with quality control and reliability problems it is said.

So much for the Hype.

Comment regarding Freelander's, followed by my new model has the BMW engine! That to speaks volumes for the reliabilty and quality of older models. It was said that "Heads wers set to roll" when the Freelander was launched if it was not ultra reliable, as the LR brand needed a reliability boost. We understand that there was a staffing and managerial and build process review not to far down the line from the launch due to those issues. Or was that Land Rovers own internal hype.

 

[sparkes]

YAWNNNNN!

If half of what was posted about LR was true then why did they sell 26% more cars last year?

Funny that!

 

[chelsea1]

I AGREE WITH YOU STEVE!....

you see more landrover's on the road than anything else...if they were that cr*p then why are so many people buying them?!

we love our freelander, owned a 110 V8, will be buying a disco3 next. NO probs with our LR'S..

fed up discussing it me.......

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

I would hope that with new owners Ford, Disco 3 and Range Rover Sport model etc has something to do with it. Sadly many will buy these nice looking vehicles fooled by the hype of blinkered Land Rover owners.

Despite the new models we still have problems with the new Disco and Range Rover selling a "sport" model with handling like a Whale. I have driven one, it is a nice car but has flawed handling for the cost and "Sport" name.

So yawn yawn Mr Sparkes maybe you can explain to my business partner how wise he was for buying his RR Sport and explain to him why he has had a loan car for the past 3 weeks following on from the same a few weeks ago.

yawn yawn.

Boys with toys girls , some will never learn!

 

[DavidW1]

CliveV must either be on holiday or his computer is broke.

 

[chelsea1]

Whatever you have to say about landrovers there is no need to turn this thread into a personal attack, when you call landrover owners "deluded bores" you are pointing the fingers at a lot of people.

I dont give a monkey's what you drive, if you want to slate land rovers then all well and good....but just leave it at that.

We all have a choice and ours is a landrover, im not deluded and im certainly not a bore.

 

[RichardS1]

I work for a company who purchases a considerable number of vehicles and two of my colleagues have run Range Rovers for several years now and have had no problems at all with the cars. I myself used a Freelander TD4 for three years covering well over 90k miles in it, all I did to the car was service it and put diesel in. We currently have an A4 2.0Tdi in the business the car has only done 30k and is constantly in the garage while they try to cure a misfire problem which to this day they still cannot cure. I don't dispute the fact that people have had issues with LR products but on the other foot I am convinced that there are many people out there that have never had an issue with there cars, I for one are one of them. I think Clive must be away in the caravan David, shame as this thread is missing his input.

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

Chelsea, my husband was in the group of deluded bores for many years !

His father is a farmer and other members of his family are to. Land Rovers were bought for their off road and towing prowess, but have never been known for their reliabillty be they Defenders, Disco's or Range Rovers which we have wide experience of.

I've experienced many a campsite chat between Alan and other Landrover owners. Alan as a former fanatic seemed to hear a different view to the one I heard many many times.

In my legal practice senior partners had Range Rovers when I started there, they were one by one traded in due to constant problems over the years.

With new models my partners have over the past three years bought two expensive Range Rovers and the latest the Sport model. All have been **** so far. One junior partner had a Disco 3 last year and traded it in after six months, as it had spent nearly two months in the dealers.

My old Audi family estate did 215+ thousand trouble free miles from when my mother first owned it. My A3 has over 90 thousand hard trouble free miles on it. I notice here another post above re numerous faulty Land Rovers by a multiple owner.

Having been Land Rover owners we developed a sense of humour, as a Land Rover you seem to have taken my comment rather to seriously.

A visit to Whatcar reviews or the like will show you many with our experiences, and many comments are on the latest models. My husbands cousin was for ten years a Land Rover service manager, when asked why he changed jobs last year his reply was "I can't deal with **** cars any longer"

Our experience of Land Rovers come as life long users of them and being owners of three. Husbands family has owned over forty we believe betwen them and then their is the ex service manager cousin. We have friends in the car sales business and have plenty of other contact re Land Rovers apart ftom my own business partners.

On the whole out of 10 for reliability I would say Land Rover is stuggling to stay above 2 for many.

I'm sorry to have offended with "deluded bore" comment that was put as a light hearted remark as was the offer to the wife.

A question asked about Land Rovers and posts saying they are wonderful is no help when the majority know they are far from that.

Even the odd owner we've met with a reliable model has talked of "being lucky" and admits to the many failings re Land Rover reliability.

In my humble opinion there is a difference between personal and well qualified experience of Land Rover reliabilty and the lovey dovey mines OK jack comments to somebody about to part with thousands of pounds. Many a Land Dealer has suffered under the financial burden of warranty claims and that is a valid point re quality and reliability not "slating" the brand.

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

Chelsea, my husband was in the group of deluded bores for many years !

His father is a farmer and other members of his family are to. Land Rovers were bought for their off road and towing prowess, but have never been known for their reliabillty be they Defenders, Disco's or Range Rovers which we have wide experience of.

I've experienced many a campsite chat between Alan and other Landrover owners. Alan as a former fanatic seemed to hear a different view to the one I heard many many times.

In my legal practice senior partners had Range Rovers when I started there, they were one by one traded in due to constant problems over the years.

With new models my partners have over the past three years bought two expensive Range Rovers and the latest the Sport model. All have been **** so far. One junior partner had a Disco 3 last year and traded it in after six months, as it had spent nearly two months in the dealers.

My old Audi family estate did 215+ thousand trouble free miles from when my mother first owned it. My A3 has over 90 thousand hard trouble free miles on it. I notice here another post above re numerous faulty Land Rovers by a multiple owner.

Having been Land Rover owners we developed a sense of humour, as a Land Rover you seem to have taken my comment rather to seriously.

A visit to Whatcar reviews or the like will show you many with our experiences, and many comments are on the latest models. My husbands cousin was for ten years a Land Rover service manager, when asked why he changed jobs last year his reply was "I can't deal with **** cars any longer"

Our experience of Land Rovers come as life long users of them and being owners of three. Husbands family has owned over forty we believe betwen them and then their is the ex service manager cousin. We have friends in the car sales business and have plenty of other contact re Land Rovers apart ftom my own business partners.

On the whole out of 10 for reliability I would say Land Rover is stuggling to stay above 2 for many.

I'm sorry to have offended with "deluded bore" comment that was put as a light hearted remark as was the offer to the wife.

A question asked about Land Rovers and posts saying they are wonderful is no help when the majority know they are far from that.

Even the odd owner we've met with a reliable model has talked of "being lucky" and admits to the many failings re Land Rover reliability.

In my humble opinion there is a difference between personal and well qualified experience of Land Rover reliabilty and the lovey dovey mines OK jack comments to somebody about to part with thousands of pounds. Many a Land Dealer has suffered under the financial burden of warranty claims and that is a valid point re quality and reliability not "slating" the brand.

 

[chelsea1]

As with all forums you cannot judge whether a comment is light-hearted/fun or not, so I could not tell the "bore" bit wasnt directed at all us landrover owners!

We live in rural Devon so we know a lot of local people with landrovers for work use/non work use, the roads here are full of them.

Your point about saying LR'S are wonderful on a thread shouldnt be posted -

comments like this are no more/less harmful than saying that "landrovers are cr*p",.."dont ever buy a landrover"

all over the country people's experiences are different, YES some people have had big problems, but NOT everybody...and people should feel free to post their own experiences, good or bad.

everyone has their own choice, we all earn our money and we all spend it and I respect that.

Most people cant afford to spend 40k on a tow car, parts/insurance on imports/foreign cars are more expensive and harder to access.

If someone spends 10k on a second hand dicso, it wouldnt cost you much to run it/upkeep and it would be a good towcar.

Parts are cheap for a Landrover.....you could take series 3 landrover anywhere in the world and if it broke down it would be easy to find parts....its a universal car.

Landrovers surely cant be beaten off road?

If they are that un-reliable - then why do the British Army use them....I dont see them driving around in Toyota's!

Love them or hate them, the LandRover aint going anywhere...and will continue to rise in popularity once the new Freelander comes out in December.

 

[wayne_5097681]

Chelsea, my husband was in the group of deluded bores for many years !

His father is a farmer and other members of his family are to. Land Rovers were bought for their off road and towing prowess, but have never been known for their reliabillty be they Defenders, Disco's or Range Rovers which we have wide experience of.

I've experienced many a campsite chat between Alan and other Landrover owners. Alan as a former fanatic seemed to hear a different view to the one I heard many many times.

In my legal practice senior partners had Range Rovers when I started there, they were one by one traded in due to constant problems over the years.

With new models my partners have over the past three years bought two expensive Range Rovers and the latest the Sport model. All have been **** so far. One junior partner had a Disco 3 last year and traded it in after six months, as it had spent nearly two months in the dealers.

My old Audi family estate did 215+ thousand trouble free miles from when my mother first owned it. My A3 has over 90 thousand hard trouble free miles on it. I notice here another post above re numerous faulty Land Rovers by a multiple owner.

Having been Land Rover owners we developed a sense of humour, as a Land Rover you seem to have taken my comment rather to seriously.

A visit to Whatcar reviews or the like will show you many with our experiences, and many comments are on the latest models. My husbands cousin was for ten years a Land Rover service manager, when asked why he changed jobs last year his reply was "I can't deal with **** cars any longer"

Our experience of Land Rovers come as life long users of them and being owners of three. Husbands family has owned over forty we believe betwen them and then their is the ex service manager cousin. We have friends in the car sales business and have plenty of other contact re Land Rovers apart ftom my own business partners.

On the whole out of 10 for reliability I would say Land Rover is stuggling to stay above 2 for many.

I'm sorry to have offended with "deluded bore" comment that was put as a light hearted remark as was the offer to the wife.

A question asked about Land Rovers and posts saying they are wonderful is no help when the majority know they are far from that.

Even the odd owner we've met with a reliable model has talked of "being lucky" and admits to the many failings re Land Rover reliability.

In my humble opinion there is a difference between personal and well qualified experience of Land Rover reliabilty and the lovey dovey mines OK jack comments to somebody about to part with thousands of pounds. Many a Land Dealer has suffered under the financial burden of warranty claims and that is a valid point re quality and reliability not "slating" the brand.

just looked on the what car web site and they give the disco 4 stars the same as your audi, and your right there are some bad reveiws but if you look down the page you will see some good ones aswell.

 

[Carolanne_5125606]

In an hour or so I will drive with caravan and my husband to Dover on route to Biaritz. I can drive in confidence that we will get there as our car will be trouble free something we could never do for over ten years of Land Rover ownership.

Wayne some good reports on Whatcar do not cancel out all the problems nor do the "I've had it for a month and it's great".

General acceptance in the press is that the Audi is more refined build than LR. Search for LR reliabilty and tell us that the many posts are hype and that buying Land Rover is a better than evens bet! You can't do it!

Husbands family farm in Rural Northamptonshire and some of my relatives in Devon and Cornwall I'm not sure what the rural thing has to do with reliability.

As you mention the Army Chelsea, we also have officer relatives there. Land Rover products with near endless care and attention and budgets to keep the things running and officers able to have staff attend to there personal Landrovers on a near FOC basis to keep them reliable! Slightly different to the average business or man in the streets resources.

Army and MOD puchase of Land Rover has more to do with UK politics than Land Rovers reliablity and driveability. It has also been said recently that Land Rovers will be changed for Mercedes in a bid for uniformity with combined armed forces. I just can't understand why all the other armies and forces didn't buy Land Rover in the first place.

No doubt people will buy new pretty fashionable models, but unless reliabilty problems are addressed and solved the brand will fail and many buyers will again be robbed of their money. If Land Pover had been of the quality is made out to be the likes af Toyota and others would never have made a dent in the market.

It is still funny that you find no answer for BMW selling such a great product and Ford threatening to solve problems by building outside the UK.

Bye bye and have a great safe summer with any car or van of your choice.

 

[DavidW1]

Phew! I think she's gorn, Clive, if your out there somewhere, broken down in a field or somethink, give us a ring and I'll tow you back wive me Bighorn. let's get back to onest banter and talkin abat broken watsits agin!

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

In an hour or so I will drive with caravan and my husband to Dover on route to Biaritz. I can drive in confidence that we will get there as our car will be trouble free something we could never do for over ten years of Land Rover ownership.

Wayne some good reports on Whatcar do not cancel out all the problems nor do the "I've had it for a month and it's great".

General acceptance in the press is that the Audi is more refined build than LR. Search for LR reliabilty and tell us that the many posts are hype and that buying Land Rover is a better than evens bet! You can't do it!

Husbands family farm in Rural Northamptonshire and some of my relatives in Devon and Cornwall I'm not sure what the rural thing has to do with reliability.

As you mention the Army Chelsea, we also have officer relatives there. Land Rover products with near endless care and attention and budgets to keep the things running and officers able to have staff attend to there personal Landrovers on a near FOC basis to keep them reliable! Slightly different to the average business or man in the streets resources.

Army and MOD puchase of Land Rover has more to do with UK politics than Land Rovers reliablity and driveability. It has also been said recently that Land Rovers will be changed for Mercedes in a bid for uniformity with combined armed forces. I just can't understand why all the other armies and forces didn't buy Land Rover in the first place.

No doubt people will buy new pretty fashionable models, but unless reliabilty problems are addressed and solved the brand will fail and many buyers will again be robbed of their money. If Land Pover had been of the quality is made out to be the likes af Toyota and others would never have made a dent in the market.

It is still funny that you find no answer for BMW selling such a great product and Ford threatening to solve problems by building outside the UK.

Bye bye and have a great safe summer with any car or van of your choice.

Don't hurry back.....:O)

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

just looked on the what car web site and they give the disco 4 stars the same as your audi, and your right there are some bad reveiws but if you look down the page you will see some good ones aswell.

The good ones are never publicised though!!