The car in front .........

[MikeP]

This is a joke - don't take it personally. It's about Chelsea Tractors on the school run rather than 4x4s used to tug caravans.

Toyota Product Recall

New EU regulations mean that all large 4x4 vehicles require a booster cushion on the driver's seat, so that the diminutive driver can reach the rear view mirror in order to apply lipstick / check eyeliner / adjust hair etc, whilst the screaming kid in the back daubs snotty fingerprints over the window as they strain at their not-quite-done-up-properly kiddy seat straps.

There will be no modifications to the huge, fuel-guzzling engines, and the modification will not make it any easier to park, love. Your vehicle will be in the garage for about half an hour while the booster cushion is fitted, which will be the longest time that this 4x4 has spent off-road in its life.

The car in front, with one small child and its mother - who can barely see over the steering wheel - is a Toyota.

 

[mcghee]

That's pretty funny mike. What can be even funnier is watching some of them trying to reverse park. That's not a sexist remark, it's an observation of people who think driving a big 4x4 or mpv makes them a better driver.

 

[sparkes]

YAWN

Here we go again, another person who thinks its there calling to slag off anyone who owns a 4x4!

Craig, go get a life!

 

[CliveV]

Hi Steve

The antis do have a life Steve - it is just one that is very unhappy and immature.

How can it possibly be otherwise when we 4x4 drivers are now being accussed of thinking we are better drivers? Tho' I am pleased to see that those terrible sinners the MPV drivers are now being tarred with the same brush!

Welcome to the club all you Espace, Previa etc owners. Come join us in a bit of anti-baiting!!

Whatever you drive - it is the nut behind the wheel that is responcible for how the vehicle is driven.

I CERTAINLY DO NOT want this sad old debate started again.

But Craig dear boy - do grow up lad.

 

[giovanni_5060838]

yes grow up craig.... you cannot say anything negative about

4x4s its a no,no.

its a no, no to piont out the little women driving a X5? on

the outside of the M1 with the phone in her hand and bending

down..god knows why, must have dropped her make up pack.

but you can say nothing about it as its not the car, but the

person.

yea craig grow up... i mean we had snow a month or so back and

oldham got it bad for a few hours.

how i wished i had 4x4 on my lorry as i turned into a side street and had to stop as cars skidded down the steep hill.

i had to reverse and think before tackling the hill,as the

deliever piont was on that hill,and i need a run...

but that toyota surf had the right idea.... stop at the side of

the road, and walk to the apartment block 200 yards up with

plenty of off road parking,and force me to reverse further down

still, as it had stopped and parked directly infront of me...

yes its not the car... its the sort of people who buy them..

or to be pc.. they are attracting a certain type of person,and

are only being used in instances that don't add up.

yes criag grow up... don't mention the problems you can have

when confronted by badly parked 4x4s in city centres,or the amount you come across in these instances..its not the car,its

the type of people who buy them.

but hang on there a minute, criag, do YOU really need to grow

up, or are there some others who should put the brains in motion

first before replying? yes there are bad drivers,so feel free

to name the badly driven ford or volvo,so the same applies to

4x4s... unless that is some feel they are better because they

drive larger vehicles......... if you do... then its you lot

that need to grow up......and stop whinning on about anti 4x4

statements and except amongst you there ARE some bad drivers,

who because of the type of vehicle they drive,just stick out

more.. thats all.. nothing anti 4x4 about that just anti bad

drivers, who feel safer because of the size of vehicle they drive.... now does that make me anti drivers for pionting it out

 

[sparkes]

giovanni

I have no idea why you typed that lot. Whats your point? you state that its not the car but you also state its the type of person that buys the car. Lots of different type of people buy a large car for many reasons. what makes them bad drivers?

bad drivers are just that, no matter what they drive. And why do you assume that someone feels safer because they own a bigger car? If that was true I would feel safer in my ZT-T than I do in the discovery because it is bigger.

your last statement says that people should not feel they are better for driving this type of car, but you agree with Craig who thinks that these type of owners are bad drivers.

Simple question for Craig. Why would or should someone think driving a big 4x4 or MVP makes them a better driver? Are you a better driver because you drive a saloon?

driving ability has NOTHING to do with what you drive. Its to do with experience and HOW you drive it.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Sorry Clive but I read that as some little lady taking her kids to school and craigs reply regarding them trying to park the 4x4 at the school but I could be wrong. Mike P did say it was nothing to do with towing caravans. I can identify with some of the sentiments given out about 4x4s though. For example a friend of mine (the same person who was a hunt follower paid to beat up the antis) lives in a road prone to flooding. His driveway slopes down from the road so when the road's in flood its only the kerb that stops his garage flooding. The police close the road to normal traffic but out come the 4x4s and drive up and down, up and down his road with no purpose but just to be driving through water. I suppose you all get the picture now, lmaoo, the waves just go over the kerb and flood his garage heheheh! He said its the same ones everytime just playing with their big boys toys. I tell him it's payback for beating the cr*p out of the anti hunt protesters heheheh!

 

[LMH]

Gentlemen

Just think the Chelsea tractors will never experience having a tow bar fitted...........

Incidentally, you can put lipstick on if your sunvisor (if that's the correct name) has a mirror and light in it like mine does. I have that down to a fine art now. One can even read directions in the dark if you put the said light on.

Lisa.

 

[CliveV]

Still say that the vehicle type is not the issue.

It how you drive it.

As for Gio's responce - its as off the wall as ever!!!

LMAO

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Still say that the vehicle type is not the issue.

It how you drive it.

As for Gio's responce - its as off the wall as ever!!!

LMAO

vehicle type is an issue, when it starts to attract the worse

type,the type who believe they can get away with being bad

drivers,because they believe THEY are better protected than

the more normal size car and its driver.am starting to wonder

[from your repeated replies] if YOU have the ability to take

in what is said without having a red mist infront of your eyes.

 

[CliveV]

Crikey - who put 10p in Gio and pressed "Play"!!!

What a laugh!

LMAO

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Crikey - who put 10p in Gio and pressed "Play"!!!

What a laugh!

LMAO

i am glad you find it funny clive...i try to keep it to YOUR level,

as.. infra dignitatem.

 

[LMH]

Crikey - who put 10p in Gio and pressed "Play"!!!

What a laugh!

LMAO

Clive

I've got some boxing gloves in the gym at work, would you like to borrow them?

JOKE!!

Lisa

 

[CliveV]

Once again the thread slips into farce!

(not aimed at you Lisa)

I just think it bizarre that a known "anti" is now trying to intimate that drivers of large MPV's and 4x4's somehow buy them as it makes them think they are better drivers!!??

As Steve says - Do saloon, hatchback and estate care drivers suffer from the same malady?

Bizarre.

 

[LMH]

Once again the thread slips into farce!

(not aimed at you Lisa)

I just think it bizarre that a known "anti" is now trying to intimate that drivers of large MPV's and 4x4's somehow buy them as it makes them think they are better drivers!!??

As Steve says - Do saloon, hatchback and estate care drivers suffer from the same malady?

Bizarre.

Clive

Go over to events. Let's start planning for the do at Easter. Now, I have started sampling various different Cava's and have made a decision which to bring along.

I looked in the shed for the gazebo but sadly, the mice have had a few bites out of it, so I'll get another one. (Looking after someones cat soon, so with three, maybe one of them might actually do their job). I think as you suggest, we could put up several gazebos as a 'party house/meeting place'.

We do need to organise something for the children.

Lisa

 

[giovanni_5060838]

the thread slipped into the farce catargory, when a joke was posted, you know what a joke is? and you yet again took offence,

you of all people the expert on snide!

i hope you are not refering to me as the anti, as if you are,

it again shows what type of person you really are,as YOU try

to catagorise others.

you should look in the mirror first, because using your own token of catogorising,would mean you were pro 4x4...by the same

token you would therefore be anti everthing else!

now whilst i know this is not true,it carries the same truth as

your repeated anti statements.

and its the anti bit that really peeves me,as you of all people

being a caravaner and knowing how the so called "anti caravan brigade" go on without much knowledge or understanding of the

subject,launch attacks against caravaners,that i am dismayed

that you should keep repeating these dumb statements...

 

[CliveV]

Clive

Go over to events. Let's start planning for the do at Easter. Now, I have started sampling various different Cava's and have made a decision which to bring along.

I looked in the shed for the gazebo but sadly, the mice have had a few bites out of it, so I'll get another one. (Looking after someones cat soon, so with three, maybe one of them might actually do their job). I think as you suggest, we could put up several gazebos as a 'party house/meeting place'.

We do need to organise something for the children.

Lisa

Good sense as ever Lisa!

 

[sparkes]

Giovanni

Sorry if my reply sounded defensive, it was not meant that way. I have avoided using the phrase 4x4 as this thread was against big cars in general.

I stand by my statement that experience is a factor, good or bad, experience teaches us how to react better to any given situation. After all, how do you get a driving license without the experience that tells you what the breaks do, or even what side of the road you have to drive on?

I am more confused by the statement you make about people buying cars with no need for the abilities of that car. Are you saying that every couple with no kids should buy a motorbike? Or maybe, everyone should own a Micra as this will carry 4 people at speeds up to the legal limit in the UK. maybe with a small trailer to carry bigger items when needed. Every car in the UK have different abilities. Some are to go fast, some to carry loads, some to fit in small places and some for increased traction. Do you want these choices removed?

People have the choice to purchase what they want. My argument is that this should be allowed and we should fight for it. After all, how would you feel if the government said that the only type of caravan you where allowed to buy was one that sleeps 5 and weighs no more than 1100kg?

We should not remove choice!

 

[CliveV]

Maybe its because your responses give us such a good laugh?

After all both Steve and I were only responding to a fairly silly dig by Craig.

Then once again you pop up with, what is in my opinion, some very odd and difficult to understand opinions.

I am not pro or anti anything - Live and let live is my motto. I do not go around making silly comments about saloon car drivers. But you "antis" feel you have some kind of right to criticise what I drive and yet you get all upset and weepy when we tell you where to get off!

As for caravanning - I have defended caravanning on many occasions on 4x4 forums and others where the majority of drivers would like to see caravans "banned" "kept in the inner lane" "forced to travel only at night"

When it comes to making assumptions based upon your own twisted prejudice - you really are the master Gio.

Now this Forum is not supposed to degenerate into a slanging match between individuals however much you may want one. The Modies, thankfully, are far stricter now.

So for goodness sake give it a rest.

 

[sparkes]

the thread slipped into the farce catargory, when a joke was posted, you know what a joke is? and you yet again took offence,

you of all people the expert on snide!

i hope you are not refering to me as the anti, as if you are,

it again shows what type of person you really are,as YOU try

to catagorise others.

you should look in the mirror first, because using your own token of catogorising,would mean you were pro 4x4...by the same

token you would therefore be anti everthing else!

now whilst i know this is not true,it carries the same truth as

your repeated anti statements.

and its the anti bit that really peeves me,as you of all people

being a caravaner and knowing how the so called "anti caravan brigade" go on without much knowledge or understanding of the

subject,launch attacks against caravaners,that i am dismayed

that you should keep repeating these dumb statements...

it was not the joke that caused this, it was craigs comment that caused that.

 

[CliveV]

Giovanni

Sorry if my reply sounded defensive, it was not meant that way. I have avoided using the phrase 4x4 as this thread was against big cars in general.

I stand by my statement that experience is a factor, good or bad, experience teaches us how to react better to any given situation. After all, how do you get a driving license without the experience that tells you what the breaks do, or even what side of the road you have to drive on?

I am more confused by the statement you make about people buying cars with no need for the abilities of that car. Are you saying that every couple with no kids should buy a motorbike? Or maybe, everyone should own a Micra as this will carry 4 people at speeds up to the legal limit in the UK. maybe with a small trailer to carry bigger items when needed. Every car in the UK have different abilities. Some are to go fast, some to carry loads, some to fit in small places and some for increased traction. Do you want these choices removed?

People have the choice to purchase what they want. My argument is that this should be allowed and we should fight for it. After all, how would you feel if the government said that the only type of caravan you where allowed to buy was one that sleeps 5 and weighs no more than 1100kg?

We should not remove choice!

Hi Steve - If experience was NOT an important factor then insurance premiums for the under 21's would be the same as us "Grey Hairs"!

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Hi Steve - If experience was NOT an important factor then insurance premiums for the under 21's would be the same as us "Grey Hairs"!

and yet it seems the premiums are going up for over 70s by more

% than the younger ones.

steve. i am not anti, was talking about what sticks in your memory and badly driven large vehicles seem to stick in my and

lots of other peoples memory more than normal sized cars,its

a bit like the joke that started this, it may be not a truly

proportional representational, but its how its percieved.

 

[giovanni_5060838]

Maybe its because your responses give us such a good laugh?

After all both Steve and I were only responding to a fairly silly dig by Craig.

Then once again you pop up with, what is in my opinion, some very odd and difficult to understand opinions.

I am not pro or anti anything - Live and let live is my motto. I do not go around making silly comments about saloon car drivers. But you "antis" feel you have some kind of right to criticise what I drive and yet you get all upset and weepy when we tell you where to get off!

As for caravanning - I have defended caravanning on many occasions on 4x4 forums and others where the majority of drivers would like to see caravans "banned" "kept in the inner lane" "forced to travel only at night"

When it comes to making assumptions based upon your own twisted prejudice - you really are the master Gio.

Now this Forum is not supposed to degenerate into a slanging match between individuals however much you may want one. The Modies, thankfully, are far stricter now.

So for goodness sake give it a rest.

i respond to you, you on the otherhand seem to respond to a mythical crowd.

lets look at your amazing statements. "10p" this isn't a statement its just you being farcical,nothing else its not a

response to my prevouis post, just you HAVING TO RESPOND anyhow

no matter how silly it is.

your farcical statement about the thread.

someone printed a joke,for god sake, it wasn't anything else

so how on earth had the thread become farcical,unless you were

talking about your biased views.

now your last thread, starts and ends in personel attacks of me,

and you STILL then go on to insist how the mods will not tolorate it and make out i am the one at fault,even as you insult

me?

YOU STARTED THE farcical insults,because i have noticed how you

like to always have the last word.you alway use snide responses

when you have no answer, but instead of shutting up and leaving

it you get on your high horse and, yet again use the anti word

against,in this case me.

but you are two faced. "boxing gloves" post.

that was also a stupid post, but being as it was back up for you, when you made your farcical statement, you made sure that

it wasn't intended against,that silly response.

you take offence to a posted joke, you try to drum up support

with your mpv statement, but when someone makes a statement

based on what they have experienced you only look at the bits

in the statement that you feel injure the 4x4 reputation.

you do not even know the difference between a constructed view

and an attack.........

i sugest in future lay off the snide remarks,that way the post

will be more constructed.....

infra dignitatem . maybe one day you will know what that means.

 

[CliveV]

For the record - my dignity is beneath nothing at all.

And you accuse me of snide remarks!!

giovanni

5 Jan 2006 01:01 PM i respond to you, you on the otherhand seem to respond to a mythical crowd.

lets look at your amazing statements. "10p" this isn't a statement its just you being farcical,nothing else its not a

response to my prevouis post, just you HAVING TO RESPOND anyhow

no matter how silly it is.

your farcical statement about the thread.

someone printed a joke,for god sake, it wasn't anything else

so how on earth had the thread become farcical,unless you were

talking about your biased views.

now your last thread, starts and ends in personel attacks of me,

and you STILL then go on to insist how the mods will not tolorate it and make out i am the one at fault,even as you insult

me?

YOU STARTED THE farcical insults,because i have noticed how you

like to always have the last word.you alway use snide responses

when you have no answer, but instead of shutting up and leaving

it you get on your high horse and, yet again use the anti word

against,in this case me.

but you are two faced. "boxing gloves" post.

that was also a stupid post, but being as it was back up for you, when you made your farcical statement, you made sure that

it wasn't intended against,that silly response.

you take offence to a posted joke, you try to drum up support

with your mpv statement, but when someone makes a statement

based on what they have experienced you only look at the bits

in the statement that you feel injure the 4x4 reputation.

you do not even know the difference between a constructed view

and an attack.........

i sugest in future lay off the snide remarks,that way the post

will be more constructed.....

infra dignitatem . maybe one day you will know what that means.

 

[CliveV]

Oh and it was Lisa that made the "Boxing Gloves" comment - not me.

Read what is there please!!