It may be worth having a read of the U.K. Research and Innovation papers on climate and weather. They fly an RJ85 scientifically kitted out for the boffins to study and report on these CO2 things. Well beyond me Clive.
His XC40 is the same car as mine... (different badge and body shape). In fact, its probably better than mine in terms of range/
No one is suggesting we remove all CO2 from the atmosphere, just that we don't add more by burning fossil fuels. Thats why it's net 0, not 0.
Aircon and heating makes perhaps 5% difference. I.e. a car with 220 mile range not using any aircon or heating will do 200 miles using one or the other. In practice, I use aircon or heating all the time, and get 210 miles of range. If I turn it all off, I might get 230 or 240.
The OP article suggested that right now, used EVs are good value. That was it, and I agree. In 12 months time the world will be different, and use EV may not be so good value, or may be even better value. My bet is on the latter, as new prices continue to fall.
I wouldn’t disagree with your views, but how can you say EVs have their place in city environments when travelling on a motorway they are there for all to see. I acknowledge that they will not be the choice for most caravanners but to say “ city environments “ just ignores the solo drivers who are more than satisfied with their EVs.
I haven’t ignored’ anyone.
I think you may be correct but not for the cars you and I think about.
Same applies to any source of energy as there will never be zero pollution whether ICE or EV however the thread is about the cost of buying a second hand EV and not charging EVs etc. Another poster raised the issue of charging. For once I was NOT knocking EVs!
Even with the US 100% tariff and EU 27.4-47.6% tariff/duty the Chinese EVs would still be cheap. But could adding tariffs only drive their supply to market at rock bottom costs?
I guess time will tell. Two things
The major EU car makers are against tariffs as it’s not been spelt out yet how a “European “ car made in China will be dealt with. Also their sales to China would be affected if China retaliated.
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Yep - my response was to Dustydog, not you. I am grateful for you starting the thread
Very true, but the days of buying a cheap reconditioned petrol/diesel engine are fading. A new engine for my V90 from Volvo (fitted) comes in at just over £18K!!!! I remember the days of buying low mileage engines from scrapyards and dropping them into my Escort on a Sunday afternoon for £150.
You just knew that when critical mass was achieved businesses would spring up to service the market. That’s a very attractive price for the gain in range.
I'm not sure why you have included battery replacement amongst normal day to day running costs. Despite all the dire warnings as EV's began to take off, the batteries (with a few exceptions) are lasting far longer than the naysayers would like.
A friend is on his third Tesla. He tried a Porsche Taycan but didn’t like the “tech”. Traded it in , lost £9k and got another Tesla.
My grandson didn’t have his Tesla long enough for a service as he changed jobs and it went back. If he and his partner need two cars then he borrows our Rio. But his new job is 2 days in a nearby office, 3days WFH. But it can change so the Rio is his fallback. At present it’s in Aldershot whilst he does his Reserve training. It tells me we could live with only one car. ☹️
A 8km/L car costs $2100 to do 10,000km compared to Leaf$7600RUC + $400 (peak domestic kwh rate). These are fuel costs, Leaf could be $200-300 on low cost off peak rate.
Thanks, an interesting slant. But I’m puzzled as to why a RAV4 is more expensive to run than a Tesla. Is it the hybrid/PHEV aspect?
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