Travellers. Basildon . Essex

[LMH]

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I didn't have you down as a racist Lisa, you've really surprised me

I'm not a racist, I'm just quoting what I've read in the papers over the years (not that I personally buy papers, I sometime read one at my mum's). I guess it's a bit like you posting a link to a news story, that sort of thing.

 

[Parksy]

There are all kinds of links posted on this forum Lisa but your racist comments bear no comparison to me or anyone else posting a link to a news story. You wrote earlier:

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I'm not sure which newspapers you read at your mum's but the above comments are not quotes that I've seen written in newspapers and the above sentiments have no bearing on the issue being discssed here in any case.

 

[Surfer]

BTW I was born in Africa so I am African, however since moving to England in the early nineties with my Welsh wife, I have worked and paid my dues over time. I have obeyed the law of this country where I now live and would never consider taking advantage of my situation. I feel offended that it seems that as an African we have been mentioned as moochers.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I see they have now become kidnappers and slavers. Why aren't I surprised?

 

[Oldsalt49]

I see they have now become kidnappers and slavers. Why aren't I surprised?

I hope the police have not been too hasty in releasing details about this? If there are other sites that are holding slaves, there is a risk that any slaves could be moved to secret locations or even slain to hide the evidence. I would hope the authorities have fully investigated what has been happening, before going in. I would not be surprised if this is just the tip of an iceberg and other sites are involved in similar activities. This is a very worrying situation indeed and exposes the true lack of compassion these people have for their fellow human beings.

 

[smiley]

I have just come off holiday and in two weeks a little corner field has changed hands and it's gypsies who have bought it. A nice lady on our doorstep looking for signatures against development.....

If I had tarmac people in overnight and did stuff I needed planning for I'm quite sure it would take the council long to get me to change it back..

Why is it different for gypsies...

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Why is it different for gypsies...

Because usually gypsies are settled on legal sites smiley. There is a big difference in gypsies and Irish tinkers.

 

[Surfer]

BTW what is the difference between a gypsy, a tinker and a traveller? We have dealt with gypsies and found them to be pleasant and polite, but on the other hand we have dealt with tinkers through work and found them to be arrogant and ready to cheat you out of a nickel. Not sure where travelelrs fits into the whole scenario.
Ae the occupiers of Dale Farm Gypsies, tinkers or travellers?

 

[Essexeddie]

Empty post (likely not intentional - probably an Internet Explorer issue!)

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Look what you've done surfer, you've made Eddie speechless.
I wondered where he'd got to these last few months but now I know. He's been manning the barricades at Dale Farm with his mates

 

[Past_it]

Who is paying for the gypsies legal expenses, after all, they can't afford to fight their case .... Oh! I forgot, as a tax payer, WE ARE.

 

[Essexeddie]

Sussed it now

 

[Essexeddie]

Had to post on this as Dale Farm is only a couple of miles from us so know a bit about them.
Dont be fooled by the media they are not very nice people, thats puting it mildly.
Where they are is a no go area and a pig stye, even the police dont go there as its too dangerous. Millions have been spent on them. The school that they use is mostly empty as they dont bother to turn up half the time. All the other kids have left due to the trouble. Most are claiming housing benefit for their vans, when they have houses in Ireland.
I myself have been held up on the nearby busy A127 while they carried out a horse and cart race one sunday morning.
If they are travellers then they should travel. I've travelled more than them this year.

Everybody wants them out, sorry but whoever supports them are deluded.

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[Allen774]

Well at last they have started to clear the site,
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[Parksy]

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[kelvin3]

This to my surprise as really sparked a definite split, from my cosseted situation I expected the majority to say ‘the law is the law, I have to follow, why shouldn’t they?’ but it seems that this is not the case having read through these posts.

Before I comment It is worth putting forward my ancestry, my g g grandmother was a hawker travelling from area to area. My gran lived in a caravan when she first got married. Another side were boat people with some day boaters workers living in an area that Parksy may have named himself after and another side came from Ireland in the mid 1800’s. So I have no axe to grind based on my heritage. Although I can trace another lineage back to William the Conqueror!

As long as you know who you are dealing with, ‘travellers’ like this are on the whole OK, but the second you forget; check your wallet! I have had work dealing and on a personal level when investigating my g g grandmother and found the elders more accommodating than the younger members. It is fair to say that my distrust of them matched their distrust of me.

It is nice to talk about the good side of buying and selling horses but the shady side is seldom mentioned, namely the meat side, if it can stand regardless of condition it can go for meat. Parksy can bear this out: in the last week the RSPCA after failing to find the owners of a neglected horse and fold have removed the animals (Location: next to a travellers site)

So finally – I have to follow the rules so why shouldn’t they, if I break them I am jumped on so why shouldn’t they be. There is always two sides to human rights and if they are allowed to keep the unplanning permission side then they are violating my human rights because I would not be allowed to!

 

[Essexeddie]

I went passed there yesterday and there was a heavy Police presence with heavy earth moving equipment being delivered. They have started this morning to clear the site and about time to. Most of the problems have been coming from the activists and a few people have been taken to hospital.
Should be on the news tonight.

 

[Past_it]

I can imagine how long my family would have before we were moved on if I parked my outfit on someones field, village green or even layby ..........
If our friends were an assett to the community then they would be welcomed with open arms, but we all know that is not the case.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Most of the problems have been coming from the activists and a few people have been taken to hospital.
Should be on the news tonight.

I see you've been watching the politically correct, biased BBC Eddie

They persist in calling the hundred or so communists, who have even come from the continent, activists when in fact they are anarchists. The BBCs reporters are actually inside the camp

The truth of the matter is that nobody, and I mean nobody, and that's including the anarchists, would want them living next door to their home and it's the locals I feel sorry for not those who have no respect for law and order and I don't mean just by illegally taking over land for a campsite, I mean by all the other areas of criminality they are known for.
One of the women yesterday was shouting "shame on ye". How can I let her know that after £18 million and numerous appeals, all at the expence of taxpayers, I feel no shame whatsoever. They lost and despite the cost it shows that no one can ride rough shod over the law. We have to abide with it and so should they if they want to live in this country despite putting nothing back into it.
Isn't it strange that whenever the illegal site has been on the TV in the past you only see the women? Yesterday the only males seen were the anarchists. Where are the men who anyone knows who have had dealings with them only know violence? With a large police presence at the site have you checked to see if your car is on the drive Eddie

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

BTW what is the difference between a gypsy, a tinker and a traveller? We have dealt with gypsies and found them to be pleasant and polite, but on the other hand we have dealt with tinkers through work and found them to be arrogant and ready to cheat you out of a nickel. Not sure where travelelrs fits into the whole scenario.
Ae the occupiers of Dale Farm Gypsies, tinkers or travellers?

Sorry Surfer but have only just seen your post.
A gypsy is a Romany and they are believed to have originated from India. They are the ones in days gone by who were reputed to put a curse on you if you didn't buy any clothes pegs off them. Another way they made a living was knife sharpening or on the land. Hop picking was a seasonal job of theirs where the farmer used to put them up in buildings that were very basic. I've been in a few during my time with the ambulance service, mainly to pregnancies. They were always polite and we never felt threatened by them.
They also lived then in the old horse drawn caravans that you sometimes today see New Age travellers living in. Don't get these confused with the Romanian Roma gypsies that are now blighting the streets of this country with their child begging, trafficking and counterfeiting.
Tinkers is simply another name for the Irish travellers and these people are on the opposite side of the spectrum to the indigenous Romany gypsies. I needn't elaborate on what these people, or their morals, stand for.

 

[Essexeddie]

The travelers have said on our local news that as soon as it all dies down they will be moving back, and so the whole episode will start all over again with the cost being perhaps £30,000,000.
These so called 'activists' should be jailed as most of them come from well to do families. That would disrupt their futures a bit.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

These so called 'activists' should be jailed as most of them come from well to do families. That would disrupt their futures a bit.

If they do get jailed at least they will get to wear decent clothes and have a wash. Oh, and de-loused

 

[DeliDave_]

I wondered how the two with hands in concreted barrel got on,shame they couldnt be left there to get out themselves.imo we are too easyon activists,peace camps and the like.Don't imagine Gaddafi had much luck talking about his human rights

 

[JonnyG]

BTW what is the difference between a gypsy, a tinker and a traveller? We have dealt with gypsies and found them to be pleasant and polite, but on the other hand we have dealt with tinkers through work and found them to be arrogant and ready to cheat you out of a nickel. Not sure where travelelrs fits into the whole scenario.
Ae the occupiers of Dale Farm Gypsies, tinkers or travellers?

Sorry Surfer but have only just seen your post.
A gypsy is a Romany and they are believed to have originated from India. They are the ones in days gone by who were reputed to put a curse on you if you didn't buy any clothes pegs off them. Another way they made a living was knife sharpening or on the land. Hop picking was a seasonal job of theirs where the farmer used to put them up in buildings that were very basic. I've been in a few during my time with the ambulance service, mainly to pregnancies. They were always polite and we never felt threatened by them.
They also lived then in the old horse drawn caravans that you sometimes today see New Age travellers living in. Don't get these confused with the Romanian Roma gypsies that are now blighting the streets of this country with their child begging, trafficking and counterfeiting.
Tinkers is simply another name for the Irish travellers and these people are on the opposite side of the spectrum to the indigenous Romany gypsies. I needn't elaborate on what these people, or their morals, stand for.

!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry i have to reply, all to often post are made,that have very little truth in them just normal bigoted stereotyping!
"Irish tinkers" been to billing aerodrome> next door is the ecton site. "irish tinker" been to justin park on the outskirts of mkt harborough "Irish tinkers" just obosite the rushden and diamond foot ground over the bridge "irthlingboro ."Irish tinkers"sites. Top of spital gate,old great north road. Grantham static caravan site around the corner "Irish tinkers"site although they own both.Langar near melton " Irish tinkers site.I simply don't have the inclinations to make a huge long list of Irish tinker sites that have long and good standing in the communities of just the east Midlands. I could add the bagworth site nr coalville is more fitting to your beliefs as is kangaroo spinney in wellingboro..And before you bother to respond.let me once again point out ten years working for the midland autotrader brought me into contact with"tinkers" or whatever you want to call them,on a day in day out basis.some really bad some really good.so you cannot really elaborate on some think you really don't know!!!!!!!!

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

BTW what is the difference between a gypsy, a tinker and a traveller? We have dealt with gypsies and found them to be pleasant and polite, but on the other hand we have dealt with tinkers through work and found them to be arrogant and ready to cheat you out of a nickel. Not sure where travelelrs fits into the whole scenario.
Ae the occupiers of Dale Farm Gypsies, tinkers or travellers?

Sorry Surfer but have only just seen your post.
A gypsy is a Romany and they are believed to have originated from India. They are the ones in days gone by who were reputed to put a curse on you if you didn't buy any clothes pegs off them. Another way they made a living was knife sharpening or on the land. Hop picking was a seasonal job of theirs where the farmer used to put them up in buildings that were very basic. I've been in a few during my time with the ambulance service, mainly to pregnancies. They were always polite and we never felt threatened by them.
They also lived then in the old horse drawn caravans that you sometimes today see New Age travellers living in. Don't get these confused with the Romanian Roma gypsies that are now blighting the streets of this country with their child begging, trafficking and counterfeiting.
Tinkers is simply another name for the Irish travellers and these people are on the opposite side of the spectrum to the indigenous Romany gypsies. I needn't elaborate on what these people, or their morals, stand for.

!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry i have to reply, all to often post are made,that have very little truth in them just normal bigoted stereotyping!
"Irish tinkers" been to billing aerodrome> next door is the ecton site. "irish tinker" been to justin park on the outskirts of mkt harborough "Irish tinkers" just obosite the rushden and diamond foot ground over the bridge "irthlingboro ."Irish tinkers"sites. Top of spital gate,old great north road. Grantham static caravan site around the corner "Irish tinkers"site although they own both.Langar near melton " Irish tinkers site.I simply don't have the inclinations to make a huge long list of Irish tinker sites that have long and good standing in the communities of just the east Midlands. I could add the bagworth site nr coalville is more fitting to your beliefs as is kangaroo spinney in wellingboro..And before you bother to respond.let me once again point out ten years working for the midland autotrader brought me into contact with"tinkers" or whatever you want to call them,on a day in day out basis.some really bad some really good.so you cannot really elaborate on some think you really don't know!!!!!!!!

God he's back with his gibberish.
First off could you translate your post into readable English and while you are at it could you elaborate where in my post, which you quoted, where I was wrong in describing the difference between those of Romany extraction and those originating from across the Irish Sea.
I could just as easily as you start shooting my keyboard off about sites locally but all the sites I know of are occupied by Romany gypsies. These comprise mainly the Butler and Smith clans but they are never together because for some reason known to them they do not get on. These same people occupy what were once layby's many years ago and have since probably claimed squatters rights because they've been there since at least the 70s. I can think of three instances of this and yet another family having settled at the end of a hospital drive although the hospital is now closed. They are still there though and surrounded by £250k+ houses. They have been no problem.
Unlike yourself my dealings with tinkers were through work and I had no choice in responding but I've had many calls to both communities.
I've posted many times on this forum that our station was next to a Romany site and we had no problems until they were, through threats, turfed off the site by your friends.
You accuse me of having little truth, or bigotted views in what I posted, yet you oh wise one, fail to point out what is lies. A bigot I am not but what I am is a realist and refuse to go around wearing rose tinted spectacles