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Thankyou very much RogerL for raising this. Tow bar was indeed in the list of possible modifications on the People's Choice insurance portal. Now amended, of course, any excuse to get a bit more dosh out of me... £13 for the year so not the end of the world.
 
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Thankyou very much RogerL for raising this. Tow bar was indeed in the list of possible modifications on the People's Choice insurance portal. Now amended, of course, any excuse to get a bit more dosh out of me... £13 for the year so not the end of the world.
In the past 20 years I have never been charged extra for adding towbar.
 
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Thankyou very much RogerL for raising this. Tow bar was indeed in the list of possible modifications on the People's Choice insurance portal. Now amended, of course, any excuse to get a bit more dosh out of me... £13 for the year so not the end of the world.
Can you clarify - Was the £13 an increase in your premium becasue you have a tow bar or was it an admin fee to add th e note of your modification to your policy records?
 
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If the insurance company say it was "right in principle" then al least they should provide the policyholder with information what constitutes a modification to the vehicle. Would a swap from summer to winter tyres amount to a modification, for example?
 
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If the insurance company say it was "right in principle" then al least they should provide the policyholder with information what constitutes a modification to the vehicle. Would a swap from summer to winter tyres amount to a modification, for example?
Some drivers do advise their insurance company of such a change, and some companies don’t need it. I changed tyres on a SWB Pajero to give improved mud capability and higher ground clearance. They went from OEM 30 inch tyres to 33 inch tyres . The insurer just noted it with no conditions imposed.
 
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These admin fees are a bit of a joke... £20 for a couple of seconds of computer code to run. Not like there's some clerk sat there rummaging through reams of paper to dig out my policy then doing a load of sums on a calculator.
 
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These admin fees are a bit of a joke... £20 for a couple of seconds of computer code to run. Not like there's some clerk sat there rummaging through reams of paper to dig out my policy then doing a load of sums on a calculator.
Same as airlines if they can find ways to get extra money from the customer then they will. It’s life.
 
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The FOS decision though probably technically correct is a worry. Hopefully the FCA will take a different view.
Meanwhile as we are now seeing on a lot of Insurers, not all, e proposal forms questions about modifications are now included . The tow bar featured in a number I have seen.
 
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The FOS decision though probably technically correct is a worry. Hopefully the FCA will take a different view.
Meanwhile as we are now seeing on a lot of Insurers, not all, e proposal forms questions about modifications are now included . The tow bar featured in a number I have seen.
Why do you see it as a worry? Its only an illegitimate concern if an antisocial owner is making modifications and doesn't want to declare them. By doing so they are causing all law abiding drivers extra expense becasue of the difficulties that arise if a claim has to be lodged against what is an uninsured driver.

The insurers are only asking proposers to be truthful, when did that become unfashionable?
 
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Why do you see it as a worry? Its only an illegitimate concern if an antisocial owner is making modifications and doesn't want to declare them. By doing so they are causing all law abiding drivers extra expense becasue of the difficulties that arise if a claim has to be lodged against what is an uninsured driver.

The insurers are only asking proposers to be truthful, when did that become unfashionable?
The FOS are supposed to be the Final Arbiter before Legal Proceedings.

You too Prof know the difference between a Condition precedent to Policy Liability and dare I say a potential ambiguous “invitation “ to disclosure.

With so much on line inviting purchase of Insurance I believe it is encumbent on the Insurer to encourage disclosure of anything that may cause them to refuse covering the risk.

Disclosure has been raised a number of times in recent years and this has resulted in comprehensive on line questions being asked by Insurers. The trend is set. Those who don’t ask or give examples of what they seek leaves them on a sticky wicket imo.

The FOS here missed a serious error on the part of Allianz “request for disclosure “. Something they subsequently sought to use as a refusal of policy liability even though the tow bar had not one iota to do with the accident.

You have to ask on this case if the FOS decision was correct , why did the Allianz have a change of heart and support a motoring magazine ?
The fact here was , I suspect , Allianz didn’t ask the correct questions at Proposal stage which in itself maybe considered unfashionable😉
Hence the most unusual step where the Insurer actually contradicts an FOS decision in their favour.
 

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