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Hi all.

I am trying to polish my Bailey ranger back to its former shine :)
Where the awning rail joins and under the corner of the windows this van is so shiny, however the other pasts although look good are dul compared to the other bits.
I have tried autoglym showroom shine and the caravan cleaners and I just can't get it are shiny

Anyone got some advice on this :)
 
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DrZhivago said:
Have you tried T-Cut?

http://www.t-cut.co.uk/index.cfm?page=55
It is a very fine abrasive in a liquid that takes off the microscopic top film of contamination and fine scratches. You need to polish afterwards as well. Hard work, but worth a try (on a small area first). It's the second-hand car salesman's secret.

I don't disagree but a word off caution. Paint on a caravan is gossamer thin.. Be very careful or you'll be looking at aluminium
 
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Not a great lover of this one but I have just been looking at a caravan that has been polished with Mer in the new black bottles.The finish is very good .Also and Im sure Parksy will agree Meguiars gives a show room finish.Its not cheap but its good .
Sir Roger ,
 
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I agree, Mer is expensive to buy but is definitely the best I've found, also you can be very economical with it to make it last longer.
 
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May I just add if you choose to use MER I would suggest wearing surgical gloves or some sort of gloves(Vinyl)
My good friend that has just done his van and as I said it looks super but his right hand that had the polishing doesnt look too good .
Sir Roger.
 
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MER was recently reformulated. It could be the way to go because it has a relatively high cutting factor compared to others, it's an all-in-one. Autoglym SRP is primarily fillers which will mask fine scratches - it doesn't give you any correction. Always top off with a sealant like Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection for example.

To learn more try some searches where the professionals hang out:
www.detailingworld.com
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=358155&highlight=product+awards
 
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Polishing is not the final stage, but an intermediate one. All polishes contain abrasives to various degrees. As mentioned, the traditional blue MER tended to leave a white residue due to the higher levels of cutting material in it, which is why I stopped using the stuff years ago. Use it on a high gloss surface and you'll see why.

Wash the van, then run you fingers lightly over a surface. If it feels slightly rough to the touch this is due to dirt embedded in the surface, many of which will not be removed with polish. This is always more pronounced along the lower flanks, and flatter surfaces. First, use a fine clay bar with a lubricant. Its easy to do, and leaves the surface glass smooth. Then polish, and finally a wax. Megs products are good and easy to use. Ok, a bit more expensive, but then - how much did your van cost?
 
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Hi All,

I would like to add a rider to this polish thread. If you use any sort of surface cleaner or polish on a caravan that is still under the manufacturer's guarantee then be warned some polishes etc can invalidate the guarantee.

Most caravan manufacturers will offer cleaning advice in their owners hand books, and if you deviate from that you could find problems with any sort of body related warranty work.

Be careful, if you are not sure contact the caravan manufactuer to obtain clarification.
 
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ProfJohnL said:
Hi All,
If you use any sort of surface cleaner or polish on a caravan that is still under the manufacturer's guarantee then be warned some polishes etc can invalidate the guarantee

Please don't make this claim without a reference. Be specific, what sort of polish would invalidate a warranty and what small print did you read?
 
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chrisn7 said:
the traditional blue MER tended to leave a white residue to the higher levels of cutting material in it due to the higher levels of cutting material in it

White residue could also be filler, who knows except the manufacturer? Polish is often over-applied which makes a dusty formulation all the more obvious. The experts say a pea size is about right for 6 sq inches so I am guilty myself.

By the way, although desirable I wouldn't fancy clay barring any but the smallest caravan. To do it properly the sheer size makes it time and cost prohibitive IMHO. Any momentary lack of cleanliness in this endurance test with the bar/bars would introduce more problems than is removed. My preference is to only use AG SRP and a variable speed polisher (slowed to a crawl) to save me a visit to the doctors and weeks of recovery due to RSI (joke).

It sounds like the OP has a van with oxidised paint. The lesser of two evils the only choice despite thin paint is to cut it back, polish and seal it, then keep on top of it with a regular application of sealant or wax as the sacrificial layer.

Edit: sealant systems like Supagard or Diamondbrite are a waste of money if you read the group tests on Detailingworld. Nice cash cow though.
 
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ProfJohnL said:
Hi All,
If you use any sort of surface cleaner or polish on a caravan that is still under the manufacturer's guarantee then be warned some polishes etc can invalidate the guarantee

Please don't make this claim without a reference. Be specific, what sort of polish would invalidate a warranty and what small print did you read?

As a relatively new member to the forum you may not be aware of previous threads on topics in this area. It is matter of record somewhere on this forum that a contributor claimed that a bodywork warranty claim was declined because the wrong material or process had been applied to the body work. Resulting from that thread the general advice was to check with the caravan manufactures handbook in case a particular material or process was in contravention of their instructions.

You are of course free to make your own enquiries if you wish but my sound advice remains the same,= check before you might make a costly mistake.
 
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Well remembered :)

Here's a copy of my Bailey handbook page which is very clear on how to look after the paintwork.

27. GENERAL CARE AND MAINTENANCE
OF YOUR CARAVAN
Exterior
The exterior of your caravan is very durable and
easy to clean owing to its high gloss properties.
To maintain a showroom finish, one needs only to
wash the caravan and the parts monthly (or more
frequently), using Care-avan Caravan Cleaner,
but avoid using strong alkaline (e.g. tri-sodium
phosphate) or acidic cleaners or abrasives. Waxing
the components once or twice a year with a good
grade paste wax will help to maintain the colour
and finish.
Cleaning/Usage Information:
• Wash the caravan by hand, using a sponge with
plenty of Care-avan cleaning solution to avoid
scratching.
• Care-avan is available through your supplying
Bailey Retailer or available to order direct via
our Parts Direct website:
www.bailey-parts.co.uk
• Always rinse away any cleaner from your
caravan.
• Dry the vehicle with a chamois or microfibre
cloth.
• It is imperative to ensure that the area
surrounding the rooflight is completely
dried; this will avoid both condensation and
damp collecting around the perimeter.
• Where possible position the vehicle nose
down for a short period to avoid water
pooling and collecting on the roof area.
Do not
• Do not apply a carnauba-based wax to the
vehicle.
• Do not use a mechanical brush washing
system such as a car wash.
• Never pressure wash your vehicle.
• Do not use solvents.
• Do not use acrylic cleaners.
Under no circumstances use any abrasive
agents, methylated spirit, white spirit or
other solvents to the exterior of your
caravan.
No touch up painting should be carried out prior
to consulting a Bailey Service Centre for approved
methods.
All items stored in the gas bottle storage
locker must be secured to prevent impact damage
to the inside of the body panel when the caravan is
being towed.
Do not allow any chemicals to spill or leak into the
gas box floor. Before placing items in the cradle
ensure that the tray is clean and free from any
debris. Cleaning should only be carried out with
warm soapy water.
The use of high pressure water jets to clean
your caravan will invalidate your warranty.
Acrylic Windows
The windows fitted to your Bailey caravan are
manufactured from high quality acrylic using
the latest plastic processing methods.
For cleaning, use generous amounts of water to
wash away dust and road grit etc. Then use a soft
cloth and warm soapy water and gently remove the
remaining dirt. Avoid abrasive cleaning materials
and detergents.
As with all plastic materials, acrylic should not
be allowed to come into contact with chemicals
such as paint remover, fly spray, acetone, dish
washer detergent and car cleaning detergent.
i
Never polish with a dry cloth.
During high sun do not close the window
blinds completely and open the windows
into the ventilation position.
While the caravan is in motion please ensure that
the windows are fully closed (this information is
also detailed on stickers on the windows).
Dependent on the temperature inside the
caravan compared to that outside,
condensation may be experienced
between the window panes. This is a perfectly
normal occurrence as the windows are not sealed
units. To disperse condensation remove the
bungs, using a pair of blunt end tweezers, in the
corners of the window unit (preferably on a warm
day) until the condensation disperses and then
replace the bungs.
 

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ProfJohnL said:
limecc said:
ProfJohnL said:
Hi All,
If you use any sort of surface cleaner or polish on a caravan that is still under the manufacturer's guarantee then be warned some polishes etc can invalidate the guarantee

Please don't make this claim without a reference. Be specific, what sort of polish would invalidate a warranty and what small print did you read?

As a relatively new member to the forum you may not be aware of previous threads on topics in this area. It is matter of record somewhere on this forum that a contributor claimed that a bodywork warranty claim was declined because the wrong material or process had been applied to the body work. Resulting from that thread the general advice was to check with the caravan manufactures handbook in case a particular material or process was in contravention of their instructions.
You are of course free to make your own enquiries if you wish but my sound advice remains the same,= check before you might make a costly mistake.

Moderator Clarification:
Some years ago the proprietor of a particular brand of caravan cleaning products had his products tested and approved by Bailey Caravans.
Around the same time a range of caravans manufactured by Bailey were found to be prone to stress fracturing in the ABS end panels.
The 'approved' cleaning product proprietor claimed (falsely as it turned out) that cleaning products from a well known and established rival manufacturer 'could' invalidate warranties which could then leave owners of new Bailey caravans with cracked end panels facing huge repair bills.
The manufacturers of the cleaning product which had been unfairly associated on numerous caravan related internet forums with end panel cracks spent a considerable sum of money on legal action because Bailey Caravans had allegedly allowed the myth that his cleaning products caused end panel cracks to become wrongly acknowledged as fact, when it was later proven to be the panel manufacturing process at fault.
Bailey Caravans issued an apology and acknowledged that no particular brand of cleaning product would invalidate caravan warranties.
I'm not sure which if any cleaning product is currently endorsed by Bailey Caravans or whether other caravan manufacturers endorse any particular brand of caravan cleaning and polishing product but to clarify:
No warranty claim has been declined by any caravan manufacturer because the 'wrong' legitimate branded cleaning product has been applied to a caravan.
 
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Thankyou Parksy for the further information.

My recollection was incomplete, and I apologies for that.

I don't change my advice it is still wise to check the manufacturers instructions for cleaning as the extract from Bailey's handbook provided by Dusty clearly shows.
 

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You're welcome Prof.
I just want to gloss over the possibility any repetition of the old caravan polish feuds being re-dusted on the forum. :lol:
 
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The standard finishes available like Diamondbrite etc, are basically a load of rubbish.

However, Google Paintseal. We have had this system on the last 2 new caravans we have had and it makes a huge difference. It can go from dirty to sparkly clean with just water and a sponge, the black marks wipe off and it looks like new again. Our current van is 5 years old, and after an hour with a bucket, looks like new. Cannot recommend it highly enough.
We have just ordered a new van, and Paintseal are coming to our house to do the new one, got a discount for being a repeat customer too!
 
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Hi ThePolisher,

Your post reads like an advert. What makes it better than any other sealant? Maybe the millions poured into product development by Autoglym was for nothing when a small outfit like Paintseal have done much better, I don't know.. Certainly Diamondbrite fare no better than either.

What I do know is I would check out if it is endorsed on a specialist forum where the professionals do comparative tests. Especially if it's costing a lot of money!
www.detailingworld.com
 
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In Novembers PC there was a test bench artical, page 90, on caravan cleaner, the result we quite surprising. A mate of mine uses MER on his car, caravan and his glider, and they all looks lovely.
Hutch.
 
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Hi ThePolisher,

Your post reads like an advert. What makes it better than any other sealant? Maybe the millions poured into product development by Autoglym was for nothing when a small outfit like Paintseal have done much better, I don't know.. Certainly Diamondbrite fare no better than either.

What I do know is I would check out if it is endorsed on a specialist forum where the professionals do comparative tests. Especially if it's costing a lot of money!
www.detailingworld.com

Wow!!!! Jump on me why don't you!!!!

What makes it better, I have no idea......... I'm not a chemist. All I do know is that having had the product for well over 5 years, it works,
 
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Sorry ThePolisher, didn't mean to be unfriendly or rude,

I used to be sold on these products but now I'm disillusioned. IMHO the real value is in getting the paint properly corrected rather than the product itself.

Regards limecc
 

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ThePolisher said:
limecc said:
Hi ThePolisher,

Your post reads like an advert. What makes it better than any other sealant? Maybe the millions poured into product development by Autoglym was for nothing when a small outfit like Paintseal have done much better, I don't know.. Certainly Diamondbrite fare no better than either.

What I do know is I would check out if it is endorsed on a specialist forum where the professionals do comparative tests. Especially if it's costing a lot of money!
www.detailingworld.com

Wow!!!! Jump on me why don't you!!!!

What makes it better, I have no idea......... I'm not a chemist. All I do know is that having had the product for well over 5 years, it works,

It's normal on internet forums, if making claims that one product is somehow better than another similar product, to provide proof or evidence that would substantiate such an endorsement.
With a forum user name like yours, a claim that certain caravan detailing or polishing products are 'a load of rubbish' compared to a similar product does begin to look like an advert, especially from a relatively new forum member.
I'm not suggesting that you are trying to post unauthorised adverts to this forum (which can result in an immediate ban from this and every other Haymarket owned website), but we have no idea of your caravanning history, whether you have used both sealant products or why you would suggest that one in particular is 'rubbish'.
Do you have any connection with the company that you endorsed as either a director, employee or sub contractor / franchise holder?
For the moment we'll take your word for it and leave your comments on the message boards.
 
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Ah, can see how my user name might cause some concern!!!

I'll try and explain.

First off, I have no commercial connection whatsoever with anything to do with polish or finishes. I'm a Fire Alarm Specialist by trade. My moniker "The Polisher" comes from my lifelong addition to Classic Cars, and my penchant for keeping them spotless and shiny.......... so I do have experience of polishing and finishing techniques, but purely as an amateur user.

If you come across the September issue of "Practical Classics", my fully restored Triumph Stag Estate is on the front cover, you'll see what I mean about "The Polisher".

I have been a caravanner since I was 6 weeks old ! Parents always had a caravan and I travelled extensively in my youth. Watching my father painstakingly hand polish the caravan with a hard polish (Turtle Wax in a tin!) was hard work, as he refused to even try the modern equivalents.

I bought my first caravan aged 19, and I have had one ever since, slowly working my way up to brand new ones, and we have just ordered number 4 brand new, a Lunar Quasar 646.

The first new one we bought was a Swift Challenger in 2005, and we put a winter cover on it (proper one from the well known custom maker) and after one winter it had rubbed through the paint in a couple of areas. I was unimpressed.
When we traded that one in in 2009 for another new Challenger, it was Broad Lane Caravans in Alcester that convinced us to have the Paintseal rather than a cover. (parked on the drive under trees!). Having had new company cars with the dealer applied "Diamondbrite" and the Autoglym one (and I am an Autoglym fan anyway!) I was again unimpressed. It seems that a good dose of TFR and a jetwash dissolved most of these coatings, hence why I said "rubbish".
But, the Paintseal one works. Its more than just a wipe over, although I have never actually seen it applied. All I know is that after the winter layup and the caravan is filthy with tree sap, leaves and bird c***p, a quick wash with some cheap wash n wax, and it sparkles, the dirt falls off, the black marks wipe away and it takes very little effort.
We had it put on the next new one in 2011, and this is the current one. Never been polished (you don't) you just wash it gently with water and a wash and wax solution and rinse. Even a heavy rain shower will take most of the dirt off and the water still beads up perfectly even after 5 years.
The new Lunar we just ordered is having the new Paintseal proteciton, I think its called G3 or Glasscoat, which is meant to be even better.
I was so impressed, I even had my company car coated with Paintseal. Its 2 and a half years old, has done 100,000 miles and get washed by the buffoons in the local hand car wash place............ and still, it looks great and is easy to keep clean. Again, never been polished.

Hope this clears it up, anyone want to come and have a look and see what I'm talking about, more than welcome to visit and have a look, we're in Redditch, Worcestershire.
 
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I had a Williams Ceramic coating done to my SantaFe, and as, The Polisher says even the most modest of cleaners brings it up gleaming, but not sure if they would do the coating for a caravan. The local hand wash guys opposite my local pub do a good wash and wax on a caravan for about £25. Dont use them myself as I give the van a wash down after every "Dirty" trip out, and a polish with MER twice a year.
Hutch.
 
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This is a great site for sealant converts.
http://www.clean-image.co.uk/paintsealant/index.htm

I am not affiliated with them in any way, and as already stated I don't believe their hype anymore.

Edit: In fact there's a similar tale to be told about driveway sealants. I had 110 sq/m of block paving laid this year and have 'unprotected' Indian sandstone on the back garden. At least with these porous materials you can see that they have an effect. But every manufacturer tries to out-claim the next and what a massive price differential between systems.
 

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