Clubs lack of advice.
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Why would they? There is plenty of government advice so unless they are going to go against that and do something different it should be business as usual. Pretty much self isolating in caravan-far easier-and if you pay online or contactless, even better! Just don't use the communal facilities to be super safe!
I must agree about both clubs giving advice because thay won't because they do not want to get involved they could everything on and at sites is normal we wait you arrival, personally we delayed our departure till next week,
The Clubs are doing nothing more than following Government guidance. What more do people expect them to do? If the Government advise changes to affect their operations then I would expect them to again follow that advice. There is enough information on BBC, Gov.UK and NHS what more do people need?
We don't just go to the two clubs we also like Caravan Adult park I am sure they will have some information some where when you arrive and what to do .
Like what Otherclive there enough information ..
Like what Otherclive there enough information ..
There is nothing the clubs can do other than tell you to follow Government advise. Anything they put up would be out of date so quickly it would not be worth posting it.
Disagree Ray Wood, when we see football grounds shut, and now racecourses, can't be long before other gatherings are also affected. so although news does get superceded sometimes fairly quickly. Some organisations like to keep their membership informed, informed yesterday RCA rallies/meets cancelled to end of July. Customers do matter!
IMO it is not up to clubs or parks to offer advice. Anyone with a compromised immune system or underlying health problems, especially over 70's should take extreme care when visiting parks or planning trips (if at all). What is generally accepted is that the virus can live for up to 9 days outside a host and most under 70's will only show mild symptoms (if any) so the germs may be anywhere in a park ablution facility. As someone said above, wash your hands after .... washing your hands! On the other hand, healthy younger people probably have much less to worry about.
Our eldest son is a self employed Sound engineer, and went into a company today in London, to find that due to festivals etc being shut down , there is no work. He took down the show in Milton Keynes theater, and they don't know if the next show will go on. This will effect everyone. W are cancelling our next trip out .
I agree the vulnerable should isolate but as for everyone else-surely a caravan site when you are on your own or holidaying as a family is as safe as you can get. Gatherings aren't yet banned in England at least so even rallies can continue should people want to go. It won't stop this virus anyway as it's out and running and has to run its course. Individuals need to do what they think is right for them and their family but we intend to take our holidays as normal till told otherwise. We went to Mexico in the swineflu crisis-best hol we had!
The Washington Post online edition has an excellent article on how epidemics spread given a number of scenarios such as let it rip, lockdown, 25% distancing, or 12.5% distancing. There are weblinked real time simulations based on stochastic theory. The results show very much that social distancing brings less deaths and builds up herd immunity. Whilst lockdown initially controls the spread until a second peak erupts as people start to return to normal activities. Distancing also presents less stress on hospital capacity.
But distancing doesn’t necessarily mean total quarantine. You can still go out for a walk or go fishing etc.https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr...ost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
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CAMC has a section on it's website ref coronavirus, the club says it will be updated regularly, last update 2 pm today
For us not being able to go out to pubs and places to socialise, as SWMBO is high risk, we may as well stay at home. rather than spend £20 to £30 to be bored in the caravan, be at home and finish the on going decorating. 😣
Lets be honest, the advice at present is sketchy and may or may not be of use. The truth is that nobody really knows whats happening yet with this virus, and how it will develop. I feel we can do little more than take sensible precautions. Some people will follow the advice that is out there, others wont, putting everyone else at risk.
Lets look at some of the stuff being bandied about where no proper thought has gone into it. Last week they were talking about closing the schools. Why, to stop the spread? But these childrens parents will be at work, who is going to look after them. And the parents stand just as much risk of bringing the virus home from work. Unless they then tell everyone to stay home, in which case where is the food and essentials going to be made, prepared and delivered.
This virus is going to run its course, the end result, whatever it may be is inevitable. There are going to be casualties of this, there truly isnt the capacity to cope with the 8 million possible hospital cases they are bandying about today. There is a syaing that "there are no atheists in a foxhole", and as we stand the almighty is about the only hope we have. Sorry if I sound pessimistic, I just say it as I see it.
Lets look at some of the stuff being bandied about where no proper thought has gone into it. Last week they were talking about closing the schools. Why, to stop the spread? But these childrens parents will be at work, who is going to look after them. And the parents stand just as much risk of bringing the virus home from work. Unless they then tell everyone to stay home, in which case where is the food and essentials going to be made, prepared and delivered.
This virus is going to run its course, the end result, whatever it may be is inevitable. There are going to be casualties of this, there truly isnt the capacity to cope with the 8 million possible hospital cases they are bandying about today. There is a syaing that "there are no atheists in a foxhole", and as we stand the almighty is about the only hope we have. Sorry if I sound pessimistic, I just say it as I see it.
I have to disagree with parts of Thingy's assessment of the situation. The UK advice is not sketchy, it has changed as the situation has developed, but in my opinion it has been coherent.
The Govt, has always said they had a four phase approach, and as we transfer to the next phase a different set of advice would be applied. The reasons for the UK approach has been explained but perhaps it has not been fully understood.
The Govt has been against school closures for many of the reasons Thingy suggested.
The Govt recognises the NHS could never cope if the entire country contracted the virus at the same time, which is why they have adopted the four stage process which if it works ( and that is not guaranteed) should prevent the same rapid peak we have seen in other countries.
The UK has some of the most experienced and respected epidemiologists and it is their suggestion the Govt is following.
This might help explain the Govt's approach
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
The Govt, has always said they had a four phase approach, and as we transfer to the next phase a different set of advice would be applied. The reasons for the UK approach has been explained but perhaps it has not been fully understood.
The Govt has been against school closures for many of the reasons Thingy suggested.
The Govt recognises the NHS could never cope if the entire country contracted the virus at the same time, which is why they have adopted the four stage process which if it works ( and that is not guaranteed) should prevent the same rapid peak we have seen in other countries.
The UK has some of the most experienced and respected epidemiologists and it is their suggestion the Govt is following.
This might help explain the Govt's approach
Mel
Moderator
The unfortunate and uncomfortable truth is that this virus has to spread in order for us to develop immunity and come out the other side. The clever bit is to allow this to happen without the very vulnerable getting it and not overwhelming the NHS.
Hence healthy people need to get it at a reasonable and manageable rate. Total shut down so hardly anyone gets it will just mean a massive spike and back to square one when we all emerge from isolation.
The whole situation is changing so fast that it is pointless the CMC joining in with advice of its own. Leave it to Boris and the NHS.
mel
Hence healthy people need to get it at a reasonable and manageable rate. Total shut down so hardly anyone gets it will just mean a massive spike and back to square one when we all emerge from isolation.
The whole situation is changing so fast that it is pointless the CMC joining in with advice of its own. Leave it to Boris and the NHS.
mel
I couldn’t agree more Mel ...
This is exactly what I have been telling all of my Italian colleagues ever since they went on Lockdown, in response to their insinuations that the UK are being somewhat blasè and irresponsible in their handling of the situation.
With this in mind, I’m currently sat in a completely deserted (except for the staff), but usually busy Indian restaurant in Goring on Thames after checking in at a local hotel (a favourite of mine) where the staff explained that instead of being fully booked as is normally the case, after the latest spate of irrational fear-driven cancellations, they have only 4 rooms occupied this evening.
The good news is that I get to enjoy a complimentary upgrade to an extra large river view room !
I will continue my travels tomorrow, attending a meeting in London in the morning and then calling in to see other customers on my way back home.
Having listened to the PM’s speech live on R4 this afternoon, I respectfully called those who I have agreed to meet this week to ask if I would still be welcome, and nobody suggested that we should postpone or cancel any of our meetings.
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Some people, no names (OP) obviously struggle to make a decision for themselves as to how to look after themselves and require government/the caravan club and the CCC to make all decisions as to what to do and when and how to do it, we are absolutely over run with advice from everyone with an opinion, I certainly don’t need any further help in finding out when, where and how to pitch my caravan, I also don’t need telling when anything needs wiping, I refer to my nose of course!
BP
BP
This UCL paper formed the basis on which the Government made its decisions. Obviously in the press conference it wouldn’t be possible to go into the detail of the research and modelling. But it has substance which underpin the higher level advice. People are and will undoubtably conform through peer pressure.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
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Mel, Clear scientific understanding, is that there is no guarantee that herd immunity will develop or work. I quote "But on Sunday, Matt Hancock, the UK secretary of state for health and social care, stressed that achieving herd immunity to Covid-19 is not a stated policy. Instead, he said that “in the coming weeks,” people over the age of 70 will be told to self-isolate. This stands in contrast with World Health Organization guidelines, which recommend that everyone, regardless of age, practice social distancing. "
Hello Grey,
Herd immunity depends on a significant number of infected people surviving and developing immunity to future infection. There is evidence from the progress of Covid-19 that a large proportion of people in reasonable health, and the younger do indeed survive, and I have not heard of anyone having relapsed with a repeat infection. This is generally good news, and does support the herd immunity concept.
Neither the WHO or the UK's approach has been proven becasue Covid-19 is a new virus, and will have a unique set of characteristics.
Self isolating is a subset of social distancing, and whilst it may not seem to be aligned with the WHO advice, there is a coherent theory behind the UK's approach, and it has been backed by some of the worlds most experienced epidemiologists.
The UK approach relies on the public being sufficiently compliant to instruction, and we have a well established infrastructure (whether it's ready for Coronavirus or not). The UK approach probably would not work in some other countries where there is less social awareness or compliance.
One of the key aspects of the UK approach is to not to stop the spread of the virus, as that simply delays the peak , The concept of the UK approach is to protect the most vulnerable, but to allow the least vulnerable to ride the infection, and build the herd immunity. If this is successful the virus has less places to go and the risk reduces. This buys time, all of which means can improve our understanding of the virus and a greater opportunity to develop a vaccine.
It will take 12 to 18 months to have a vaccine ready which to me will be too late to make any difference. Possibly a better bet would be to make this available after a short test rather than wait that long. It has some risk, but on balance seems to me to be a better option.
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