The max noseweight given in the Oct magazine for CRV shows 60Kg. THIS IS INCORRECT- according to my handbook the limit is 100kg. We pull an Indiana S6 (MTLM 1500kg) with our 2005 2.2 diesel CRV Sport with no problems whatever - totally stable, sufficient power, about 24 - 25mpg towing, up to 43 solo. I load the noseweight to about 95kg, but the van is loaded near to MTLM, checked on our local weighbridge. I have no reason to believe there is any excessive clutch wear after 31000 miles, of which about 3000 towing. Car is (so far!) totally reliable, but if buying secondhand check that the recall for the ERV (or something - exhaust recirculating valve I think) has been done otherwise the car may occasionally and suddenly lose all power.
CRV - wrong data in Oct Practical Caravan
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I have 2007 model(new type) CRV diesel pulling S5 Indiana. Just returned from France - 4 of us, bikes on roof, usually gear but returned about 20 mpg. Usually set cruise control on motorways to 60mph - should I be getting more or is it speed that makes a difference?
Also my Witter detachable towbar sits low when hitched up, do you find similar with your CRV albeit a different model?
It also uses a bit of oil on long trips towing - this is common apparently.
Any othe comments on CRV?
Nice car - my second, last one ws the petrol - this one totally different.
Also my Witter detachable towbar sits low when hitched up, do you find similar with your CRV albeit a different model?
It also uses a bit of oil on long trips towing - this is common apparently.
Any othe comments on CRV?
Nice car - my second, last one ws the petrol - this one totally different.
Looks like they are making a habit of it
See my posting on the Nissan XT
http://www.practicalcaravan.com/newforums/fm_messages.asp?FO=13&FM=411619
See my posting on the Nissan XT
http://www.practicalcaravan.com/newforums/fm_messages.asp?FO=13&FM=411619
Last year they repeatedly gave the noseweight allowance on the Ford Galaxy that they had on loan as 100kg - though I twice wrote to PC and told them it was only 80kg. They are I suppose, journalists that are transient people who move between publications that cover all types of products.
Peter
Would love to have the new CRV! We too were in France, reaching the Pyrenees south of Lourdes eventually. Average mpg for the trip (2270 miles total) including maybe 250 solo miles was 27. I find that wind is the biggest factor affecting consumption - we had quite a lot of it on our trip! (of the climatic kind!) I imagine the bikes on your roof make a difference for you too - as there are just two of us we are able to carry our bikes inside the car, along with awning, water things and ali roll-up table etc. The van rides slightly nose-down on a fixed alko ball (with an extension to allow the alko to clear the spare wheel) but this does not seem to be a problem. I had anticipated that the jockey wheel would ground on the ferry ramps but it didn't. Hope you continue to enjoy your caravanning.
Would love to have the new CRV! We too were in France, reaching the Pyrenees south of Lourdes eventually. Average mpg for the trip (2270 miles total) including maybe 250 solo miles was 27. I find that wind is the biggest factor affecting consumption - we had quite a lot of it on our trip! (of the climatic kind!) I imagine the bikes on your roof make a difference for you too - as there are just two of us we are able to carry our bikes inside the car, along with awning, water things and ali roll-up table etc. The van rides slightly nose-down on a fixed alko ball (with an extension to allow the alko to clear the spare wheel) but this does not seem to be a problem. I had anticipated that the jockey wheel would ground on the ferry ramps but it didn't. Hope you continue to enjoy your caravanning.
Shame these errors may influence people's decisions on tow cars. Proves you can't read everything you read in the papers!
We have new shape 2007 CRV only started caravanning this year and just had two wet weeks touring in south of UK.Average MPG over the 1200mile (800 towing 400 solo)trip was 30. A strong head winds certainly effected MPG and the Honda computer is not accurate - my calcs are based on filling the tank full. We tow a Europa 460 which we realy must get weighed on a public weigh bridge as the previous owner had it fitted with microwave,motor mover, alarm, safe etc which makes me think it may be at, or over, the 1295kg MTPLM when loaded for the 2 weeks away.Using the 85% rule the Honda can tow 1410kg but others owners seem to exceed this and we are interested to know how well it copes as we may look to change the caravan next year to a heavier fixed bed style at 1550kg.
You towing limit on the new CRV is 2000kg, which is of course way above the 85% 'rule'. I understand this 'rule' was arbitrarily dreamed up some years ago before ATCs and other modern design developments. As I remarked in my earlier note, we pull 1500kg without any problems in all traffic and weather conditions - go for it!
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Hello David.
As has been pointed out many times before the 85% is not a rule, and has no basis in law. It is purely a guideline, (but a sensible one especially for beginners).
The limit to what you can legally tow is set by the vehicle manufacture, and your driving licence. Assuming you are not limited by your licence then the maximum the CRV can depends on the models. Petrol models are limited to 1600Kg for manual gear boxes and 1500Kg for auto boxes. All diesel models are limited to 2000Kg.
All models carry the same nose weight limit of 100Kg.
The car is capable of towing the manufactures stated max.load, but that does not guarantee stability. The degree of stability is unique to every combination of car caravan loading and driving style.
As has been pointed out many times before the 85% is not a rule, and has no basis in law. It is purely a guideline, (but a sensible one especially for beginners).
The limit to what you can legally tow is set by the vehicle manufacture, and your driving licence. Assuming you are not limited by your licence then the maximum the CRV can depends on the models. Petrol models are limited to 1600Kg for manual gear boxes and 1500Kg for auto boxes. All diesel models are limited to 2000Kg.
All models carry the same nose weight limit of 100Kg.
The car is capable of towing the manufactures stated max.load, but that does not guarantee stability. The degree of stability is unique to every combination of car caravan loading and driving style.
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Dear All,
I'll raise the query about the previous generation CRV's noseweight with David Motton, who wrote the piece. I know the current generation has a 100kg noseweight but he's got the 60kg figure from somewhere. I'll find out his source and report back.
And as for the Galaxy, our 56-plate 2ltr TDCi had the factory Westfalia towball and had the noseweight on the data plate as 100kg. There are quite big differences between different engine and gearbox choices on the Galaxy but I'm happy to recheck the details when I'm back in the office.
Regards
Nigel Donnelly
Editor
Practical Caravan
I'll raise the query about the previous generation CRV's noseweight with David Motton, who wrote the piece. I know the current generation has a 100kg noseweight but he's got the 60kg figure from somewhere. I'll find out his source and report back.
And as for the Galaxy, our 56-plate 2ltr TDCi had the factory Westfalia towball and had the noseweight on the data plate as 100kg. There are quite big differences between different engine and gearbox choices on the Galaxy but I'm happy to recheck the details when I'm back in the office.
Regards
Nigel Donnelly
Editor
Practical Caravan
Hi All
Interesting this on the CRV. I have just moved up to a 55 plate diesel model (A Mk 2 I think it's classified as) from a 99 petrol. I knew the old one had a low nose weight of 60Kg (Max tow 1500Kg) but was under the impression that my new car vehicle had a greater nose weight limit. On reading this thread I have just got my hand book out and among other figures it quotes,
Curb weight 1,458 - 1,542
Max tow weight 1,500 Kg
Max vertical load on coupling 60Kg
I am now very confused. The only thing unusual is that my handbook makes no reference to diesel whatsoever! Is it likely I have the wrong handbook? Surely towing limits don't alter that much between petrol and diesel models do they?
I'm towing with it for the first time on Tuesday and looking forward to it. The old petrol was quite a capable vehicle but if the solo drive is any thing to go by I recon the new one is going to be a breeze.
Would still be interested to know the truth on the tow limits though.
Interesting this on the CRV. I have just moved up to a 55 plate diesel model (A Mk 2 I think it's classified as) from a 99 petrol. I knew the old one had a low nose weight of 60Kg (Max tow 1500Kg) but was under the impression that my new car vehicle had a greater nose weight limit. On reading this thread I have just got my hand book out and among other figures it quotes,
Curb weight 1,458 - 1,542
Max tow weight 1,500 Kg
Max vertical load on coupling 60Kg
I am now very confused. The only thing unusual is that my handbook makes no reference to diesel whatsoever! Is it likely I have the wrong handbook? Surely towing limits don't alter that much between petrol and diesel models do they?
I'm towing with it for the first time on Tuesday and looking forward to it. The old petrol was quite a capable vehicle but if the solo drive is any thing to go by I recon the new one is going to be a breeze.
Would still be interested to know the truth on the tow limits though.
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The current information from the Honda Web site and PDF data sheet shows that the nose weights are the same across the whole current range of CRV's at 100Kg.
The Max tow limits vary according fuel and gear box types.
Petrol Manuals are 1600Kg
Petrol auto's are 1500Kg
Diesel all 2000Kg
If your handbook differs from that information, then you should double check with your dealer by quoting the VIN plate chassis number.
Your vehicles limits are recorded against the chassis number, and these are the ones that would be used by Vosa etc at vehicle checks.
The Max tow limits vary according fuel and gear box types.
Petrol Manuals are 1600Kg
Petrol auto's are 1500Kg
Diesel all 2000Kg
If your handbook differs from that information, then you should double check with your dealer by quoting the VIN plate chassis number.
Your vehicles limits are recorded against the chassis number, and these are the ones that would be used by Vosa etc at vehicle checks.
Hi John
Mine is the last of the old shape not the new shape. Just been trying to find some figures on the net but no luck yet!
Martyn
Mine is the last of the old shape not the new shape. Just been trying to find some figures on the net but no luck yet!
Martyn
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I got my data from the Bosal towbar database. If your owner's handbook says otherwise, I strongly suspect that the publisher had forgtotten to update the information when the new model came out. It is highly unlikely that a diesel would have a different noseload to a petrol variant. Noseload is normally only determined by the configuration of the vehicle underbody. Like John says, I'd stop surfing the web and ask the dealer for definitive information.
Lutz
23 Aug 2008 06:08 AM What's the issue with the Galaxy? I thought it had been clarified that the noseweight was 85kg for vehicles built before April 2000 and 100kg thereafter.
My alhambra was a 2005 model and i contacted seat as most may remember regarding the nose weight limit, i had an official letter from seat confirming that the nose weight was 85 kgs max, i cant copy this letter on to the forum again as i sent it with the car when i sold it, since the galaxy and sharan are the same vehicle then i assume the limits are the same.
23 Aug 2008 06:08 AM What's the issue with the Galaxy? I thought it had been clarified that the noseweight was 85kg for vehicles built before April 2000 and 100kg thereafter.
My alhambra was a 2005 model and i contacted seat as most may remember regarding the nose weight limit, i had an official letter from seat confirming that the nose weight was 85 kgs max, i cant copy this letter on to the forum again as i sent it with the car when i sold it, since the galaxy and sharan are the same vehicle then i assume the limits are the same.
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They may be the same vehicle, but that does not prevent Ford from using different criteria in determining the noseweight compared with Seat. It is also conceivable, although unlikely, that the two vehicles have slightly different rear end underbody designs to suit specific styling of the rear bumper, or maybe Ford made a change that Seat did not follow. The two models, although basically the same, will still have specifics to differentiate them. On the other hand, the Bosal website also shows 85kg noseload for Alhambras built until April 2000 and 100kg as from May.
Nigel
Thank you for following this up and publishing an explanation in the current issue of CP.
John O'Shaughnessy aka v.meldrew2
I see that a correction was printed in this months mag with regard to the Honda CRV
A pity no such retraction was printed about the false information given about the Nissan X Trail auto
The review of the XT printed in this months mag had more glaring mistakes but pointing them out would seem futile from past experience
I am considering cancelling my subscription
A pity no such retraction was printed about the false information given about the Nissan X Trail auto
The review of the XT printed in this months mag had more glaring mistakes but pointing them out would seem futile from past experience
I am considering cancelling my subscription
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Watson (JohnG)
Can you tell me what the 'glaring errors' in the X-Trail piece in this month's magazine are please? I will ensure that they are looked into and clarified.
As for the information on the X-Trail auto in October, I will get David Motton to check the details and will print a clarification. It's the first I've heard of this so I will get you an answer.
Regards
Nigel Donnelly
Editor
Practical Caravan
Can you tell me what the 'glaring errors' in the X-Trail piece in this month's magazine are please? I will ensure that they are looked into and clarified.
As for the information on the X-Trail auto in October, I will get David Motton to check the details and will print a clarification. It's the first I've heard of this so I will get you an answer.
Regards
Nigel Donnelly
Editor
Practical Caravan
Hi sorry to take so long to reply
Have been away
There is a picture great play is made to the effect that it may be difficult to get a good driving position as the seats are not height adjustable
The drivers seat was height adjustable in the three X Trail Sports that I owned
It also quoted a kerbweight of 1400kg+ (1425 from memory)
This is lower than the range that Nissan give and its something that has come up on these pages before with more than one person having weighbridge figures for the model quoted of 1650Kg and above
It would be most helpful if actual weighbridge figures were quoted rather than relying on data from other sources
Have been away
There is a picture great play is made to the effect that it may be difficult to get a good driving position as the seats are not height adjustable
The drivers seat was height adjustable in the three X Trail Sports that I owned
It also quoted a kerbweight of 1400kg+ (1425 from memory)
This is lower than the range that Nissan give and its something that has come up on these pages before with more than one person having weighbridge figures for the model quoted of 1650Kg and above
It would be most helpful if actual weighbridge figures were quoted rather than relying on data from other sources
Didn't have time to reply in full before as was on way to a wedding but here are a some more comments
The comments about the small number of turbos failing because owners failed to allow the turbo to wind down may be true but Honest John removed the XT from his recommended list because there were so many turbo failures.Also Nissan XT websites are full of owners some of whom have had multiple turbo failure
Luckily this didn't happen to my XTs
The clever use of space caption below the picture of the boot and 2003 XT heading is indeed clever use of space but its a picture of the later 2007 model boot
Similarly the search for a 2004 2.2dci Sport with reversing camera could be a long search as as far as I am aware it wasn't fitted until the 2007 model new shape
Its well worth having as I can testify
Hope that is constructive
The comments about the small number of turbos failing because owners failed to allow the turbo to wind down may be true but Honest John removed the XT from his recommended list because there were so many turbo failures.Also Nissan XT websites are full of owners some of whom have had multiple turbo failure
Luckily this didn't happen to my XTs
The clever use of space caption below the picture of the boot and 2003 XT heading is indeed clever use of space but its a picture of the later 2007 model boot
Similarly the search for a 2004 2.2dci Sport with reversing camera could be a long search as as far as I am aware it wasn't fitted until the 2007 model new shape
Its well worth having as I can testify
Hope that is constructive
Sorry to add more but the picture next to the words "There are few adjustments for drivers seat or steering wheel" is of the 2007 onwards new model which has height adustable seating,rake and lumber levers and the steering wheel is adjustable up and down as well as in and out.
On the top model it also has a heated seat with electric controls for height etc
On the top model it also has a heated seat with electric controls for height etc
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