I think we are all aware that the green generators feed into the grid, but I how will they know how much actual green energy al electric customers take out as it is all mixed into the national grid.
I think they will know by a process called “metering “ either by smart meters or by customers submitting their monthly readings. It’s not that difficult. Green energy is bound to be mixed within the grid but the In-out equation still works.
It is impossible for any meter to determine whether a household is receiving purely green energy or not. Fairly obvious that electricity is electricity whether green or fossil fuel.
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I am also with Octopus energy and have a smart meter and i have been thinking putting solar and battery on our roof of our bungalow would that advisable?
My comments only related to how kw are put in and kw are taken out from the grid, not related to the economics of the various levies. You as a user cannot differentiate the type of electrical energy you are using as there aren’t separate distribution networks for renewable/ green that would be impractical.Other Clive said,
Green energy is bound to be mixed within the grid but the In-out equation still works.
As an old dog I am struggling to understand how anyone can differentiate the type of electricity used🤔😵💫
Until earlier this year the Green levy on my bill was 25%. On investigation it seems the true figure is 7.8%. See the link below. I understand the points made but do wonder if there is some massaging of the numbers🤪🤪. Today I see no reason why any levy is necessary🤔🤔
Green levy costs do not make up 25% of energy bills - Full Fact
A claim made by Robert Halfon MP, who is in favour of scrapping green levies, on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme and repeated elsewhere is inaccurate.
The actual energy you use may have come from anywhere. The energy you buy, is bought by the retailer from renewable generators. By buying from a renewable retailer, you support renewable generation. The percentage of renewable energy in the grid number varies to as high as 100%, with then average being around 40%.
It’s a long term investment, but the payback is relatively short at the moment (as in 4-6 years as opposed to 10-12). You have to balance the cost of install against your usage and how much you might generate. If you have a large unshaded south facing roof, and space to install, you can put in a system that will generate sufficient electricity to power you all year round, with the batteries keeping you going over night. Electricity you dont use can be sold back to the grid at the 30min spot rate (sometimes measured in £ per kWh as opposed to pence). In the summer, this can earn enough to buy the extra energy you need in the winter. The difficult part is, as always, if you can afford a solar install, you can probably afford your electricity too, so it’s as much about your personal ethos as it is economics.
You are not thinking big enough. It’s impossible for a single meter, but not for an entire network of meters. You measure what goes in and what comes out, and the sum tells you what came from where and where it went.
However as said every household will get the same ratio of green energy whether or not on green tariff. The only difference is the cost as the green used to cost more strangely enough. However I think that surcharge has now been dropped?
Yes and no. The energy you use may have come from anywhere. The energy generated, that balanced the grid, came from where you bought it. Thus, the energy you buy is renewable. The difference is subtle, but important.
It is obvious that a meter cannot differentiate between the source of the energy being metered. But it doesn’t matter as the supplier knows what they feed in and what is consumed by their customers. At present I may be using electric supplied by Norwegian hydro, Belgian wind and UK nuclear and gas. Sort that lot out ?
I’m really sorry Clive but I just don’t understand what all the last posts are on about😵💫.
That’s precisely my point and one that some find difficult to comprehend. The consumer signs up to a supplier that sources from renewable sources then inputs into the grid. Where yours comes from is not that relevant because if your renewables supplier is paid by you to supply 100 kw if that goes into the grid and is mixed with other non renewables sources your contract is still fulfilled. Anyone wanting to ensure that what appears at their meter is truly green from a renewable source might be better investing in a biogester system 😂
They really do not need to define it do they? Your supplier of renewable energy knows your usage from meter readings. They know where they contracted their renewable supplies from which they sell on to you. It not the Grids role to monitor what type of energy each consumer has just used.
I give up as you seem very confused this morning!
I know it is a moving feast but the reputable companies such as Octopus, and even BG have their performance audited , which gives some confidence that they are doing what they claim to be doing. But with the plethora of suppliers in the UK market, and the weak approach to regulation there are bound to be those that aren't really doing the job properly. Hopefully the regulation of the energy market may improve and like the banks came out of 2008 financial crash there will be periodic stress tests on suppliers in the future.
Most cars are pretty clean these days with cats and adblue. Not quite the same as electricity . 😉Hey ho! Back to caravanningI know it is a moving feast but the reputable companies such as Octopus, and even BG have their performance audited , which gives some confidence that they are doing what they claim to be doing. But with the plethora of suppliers in the UK market, and the weak approach to regulation there are bound to be those that aren't really doing the job properly. Hopefully the regulation of the energy market may improve and like the banks came out of 2088 financial crash there will be periodic stress tests on suppliers in the future.
Its funny how the thoughts on energy and renewables aren't mirrored when it comes to petrol and diesel. Not heard anyone challenge if their fill of Esso from for example the Valero/Texaco refinery is actually Esso.
That’s not quite true. Any car that has an ICE emits carbon dioxide. Electricity can be renewable (solar, wind, hydro), clean (nuclear), carbon neutral (biomass), carbon intensive (fossil) or carbon intensive and dirty (brown coal, neat oil). The idea that a combustion engine is “clean” is referring to its CO, NOx and particulate output, all of which are present in combustion output. It’s conveniently ignoring CO2.
DD did say pretty clean so probably close on par with EVs taking in to consideration way EVs are built, but lets not go down that route.
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