No new diesel cars after 2030

[otherclive]

The present BEV charging systems in the UK are a mess. Inconsistent access, some non operational, and of course limited charging rates from some. But to look at possible uptake of BEV's in ten years, and then apply that to infrastructure of today, then yes there would be massive problems.

We have to consider the the very likely probability that the infrastructure will continue to advance and improve over the next ten years, and whilst i'd be very surprised if no problems arose, but the scale of the problems are not going to be as dramatic as suggested.

There are companies who are planning and building EV only churching super stops, Some will be on motorways and some on other roads or locations. There is nothing to stop you leaving the M.Way to go to another nearby charger.

I noted yesterday that Elon Musk has hinted that Tesla is considering opening up their supercharger network to other makes.

You only have to look back 5 or even 10 years to see how far we have already come, and there will be continual development and improvements in cars and services as time goes by.

Change does bring uncertainties, but most are often found to be the result of lack of understanding, or a head in the sand attitude. But some will be justified.

Even in remote areas there is the feasibility of installing a charging station using local power infrastructure. Unlike fuel stations they don’t need logistics deliveries or manning. So they could be installed out in the sticks where there are longer distances involved. There’s no shortage of passing places in the Highlands !!!!!

 

[otherclive]

I did consider a used Renault Zoe as a runabout. The prices looked quite reasonable until I realused that the price didn’t include the battery. It was possible to purchase a battery but the lease option looked more interesting at around 50-60 ppm. Assuming the Zoe was put together well you could keep that arrangement going for years. In the end we opted for a small petrol Kia Rio as we still use it for longer to trips. Re battery life they are lasting far longer than once predicted. New ones aren’t cheap but don’t forget that years ago our ICE were so “ reliable” that a whole industry sprang up to provide remanufactured engines and gearboxes. Yet to have to follow that route today is a rarity. It will therefore probably follow that batteries will be robotically dismantled and remanufactured by specialist firms, providing of course theres a business case for such an enterprise.

 

[JezzerB]

Is there some sort of meter in the car that allows you to see how many units are sued to top it up?

Yes - and we have an app-so every time I charge the car tells me how many kw I've used (As does our charger) and i can work it out-hence my spreadsheet which shows us costing less than 4pmile at the mo and 180mpg equivalent and rising as petrol rises!

 

[JezzerB]

Analogous to working out petrol costs by knowing your tank size, fuel consumption, and price per litre of fuel. Something most motorists have been doing sub consciously for years without realising it. All that’s required is a change in mindset isn’t it as some of the issues seen as complex are quite readily resolved.

It would be interesting if you were to write an article for PC and , or, CMHC as your are real world experiences rather than a “ nice review” using a ridiculously light caravan.

Totally agree-this would be superb Clive

 

[ProfJohnL]

... It will therefore probably follow that batteries will be robotically dismantled and remanufactured by specialist firms, providing of course theres a business case for such an enterprise.

There are already some doing this.

 

[otherclive]

There are already some doing this.

Darn it another business opportunity lost to me. Back to the tea leaves.

The link might be of interest

https://www.thebatteryclinic.co.nz/nissan-leaf-ev-battery-reconditioning/

Most remanufactures that I find are manual processes but I’m sure robotics will come to the fore when numbers demand it. Of course the battery factories themselves might pursue this line too. Like they used to make recon engines, better quality than new ones were.

 

[JezzerB]

As they say, the aim is to make recon of an EV battery similar to recon of a petrol or diesel engine-it may well be a similar time scale too given how long batteries seem to be lasting-and Nissan make house storage batteries from old battery packs apparently.

 

[Hutch]

As they say, the aim is to make recon of an EV battery similar to recon of a petrol or diesel engine-it may well be a similar time scale too given how long batteries seem to be lasting-and Nissan make house storage batteries from old battery packs apparently.

It all depend on which type of batteries that will be used, so many new types being tested and used,

 

[otherclive]

It all depend on which type of batteries that will be used, so many new types being tested and used,

VW have already commissioned a pilot recycling plant at Salzgitter for 3600 battery systems a year. Volvo, Ford and Renault planning similar.

 

[Dustydog]

Will Duracell jump on the Band Wagon🐇🐇🐇. I can buy them on line at discount😎😎

 

[Tobes]

Totally agree-this would be superb Clive

I will think about writing something up. I did write to CAMC letters page asking them to do an article on electric towing. A real one - not based on “what it might be like in future “

 

[Beachball]

Will Duracell jump on the Band Wagon🐇🐇🐇. I can buy them on line at discount😎😎

DD keep everything crossed you never know it might happen

 

[Raywood]

The PC magazine has done a short article on electric cars. It does show major problems with electric cars at the moment, but there is hope for the future.

 

[Buckman]

Are EVs available on PCP and is there any advantage of having one on PCP. Obviously not for us, but it may be of interest to daughter when they move over here.

 

[Beachball]

The PC magazine has done a short article on electric cars. It does show major problems with electric cars at the moment, but there is hope for the future.

Well they have about ten years give or take to correct this matter

 

[JezzerB]

EVs most definitely are all available on PCPs -in fact most dealers love to sell you a car this way-they then have a chance of re signing you into a new one every 3 or so years!

 

[PTA]

I already tow with an electric car. I have a Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo max weight upgrade (MTPLM 1550) and tow it with a Polestar 2. Range wile towing is about 120 to 130 miles. I am on a CL in Whitby while typing this. We are over 200 miles from home. Getting here took maybe 15 mins longer than towing with our ICE car. We stopped twice on the way up, for coffee after 2 hours towing for about 20 mins, and for lunch after another 70 mins towing for 45 mins.
both times of charging we had charged more than we needed before we were done resting.
Charging in the CL is fine. We have a 10a hookup, are charging via the van and will pay for the extra electricity we use when we leave. The future is already here people…

Nice!
BUT imagine the logistics of towing, as we do, through Spain and into Southern Portugal -and, eventually, returning.
Too difficult at present really.....sadly.

 

[Beachball]

Nice!
BUT imagine the logistics of towing, as we do, through Spain and into Southern Portugal -and, eventually, returning.
Too difficult at present really.....sadly.

At present i cannot imagine going to Spain and Portugal with a electric car until it is safe to do so

 

[Dustydog]

At present i cannot imagine going to Spain and Portugal with a electric car until it is safe to do so

Have you had your jabs? You should be safe but possibly you may not get back into U.K.🤪🤪😜😜

 

[Tobes]

Nice!
BUT imagine the logistics of towing, as we do, through Spain and into Southern Portugal -and, eventually, returning.
Too difficult at present really.....sadly.

It would certainly be different, but I wouldn’t say “too difficult “. I just got home from our trip to Whitby. Two stops, both for us (coffee for me after 90 mins on the road) then lunch. Charged at both. At both locations we had charged more than we needed by the time we had finished servicing the humans.

 

[PTA]

Have you had your jabs? You should be safe but possibly you may not get back into U.K.🤪🤪😜😜

I was talking about a "normal" year. This year's visit is hanging in the balance atm. We will have to watch developments over the next month or so.

 

[Hutch]

I was talking about a "normal" year. This year's visit is hanging in the balance atm. We will have to watch developments over the next month or so.

I think we will be looking at about two years ahead, for the Covid stuff, and towing to Spain or the Souh of France with the present EV's are out of the time zones. Travel wise. On the continent I would do 300 miles with a 30 minute stop. So 6 1/2 hours, with the van,
It will change, for the better,

 

[JTQ]

With the flooding in the last few days, has there been any reports how the EVs have fared?

With the higher population of EVs I would expect in London due to environmental charges, I thought some must have encounter flooding.

 

[Buckman]

It would certainly be different, but I wouldn’t say “too difficult “. I just got home from our trip to Whitby. Two stops, both for us (coffee for me after 90 mins on the road) then lunch. Charged at both. At both locations we had charged more than we needed by the time we had finished servicing the humans.

Many years ago I was stuck on the motorway in the freezing cold and the only way to keep warm was to have the engine idling. We were stuck for about 3 hours. What would you do if in an EV to keep warm as probaly can't have the heating running especially if your charge is already low?

 

[otherclive]

Many years ago I was stuck on the motorway in the freezing cold and the only way to keep warm was to have the engine idling. We were stuck for about 3 hours. What would you do if in an EV to keep warm as probaly can't have the heating running especially if your charge is already low?

Asking the same question on different threads serves no purpose other than to complicate the answers.