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The EV is far far far more efficient at turning power into motion however, we use loads of fossil fuels to make,,, err fossil fuels-this can then be reduced-the list goes on. The charging station point is most definitely an issue but it's proven than most journeys are far shorter and range is far less than many actually need. In summary;

UK grid is around 50% renewable energy (and rising) - if you have solar or renewable tariff then up to 100%
EV drivetrain is 3 times as efficient at turning fuel into forward motion
EV's are around 25% worse for environment during production but this is offset within about 20k miles (will be less if 100% renewable energy)
No tailpipe emissions so local air quality massively improved
No smell, quieter, smoother driving, cheaper to run and cheaper overall after an average of 5 years.
But ultimately we didn't buy our EV because it's green-it's just far far far more fun to drive than the 228bhp Clubman JCW we replaced it with-just happens to be costing less than 4p a mile-and with current petrol and diesel prices equivalent to 180mpg.

Useful site - http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ You will find renewables don't make 50% very often, if ever.
 
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Like it or not EV's are coming, and an increasing number of caravanners will using them. Caravan sites will have to consider having charging points otherwise they will begin to lose business. They could of course make it a marketing point to attract new business.
 
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Earlier in the year I posted this photo from South Meadows Belford Northumberland. The first charging point I have seen on a site.
Prof , I suspect the Commercial sites understand and are providing them . The one here is not a “fast charger” . I also understand the Tesla fast chargers are not necessarily compatible with other makes of car.
I suspect they will become more common . Will the Clubs follow suit🤔🤔🤔


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Prof , I suspect the Commercial sites understand and are providing them . The one here is not a “fast charger” . I also understand the Tesla fast chargers are not necessarily compatible with other makes of car.
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Presently Tesla chargers can only be used for Tesla Vehicles, but there are several rumours that Tesla are considering opening up their chargers to other makes of vehicle. As for compatibility there should not be a problem as Tesla owners 's can use other charge points, so there must be electrical compatibility. What is different is the software that controls the charger, and how it verifies the request to charge.
 
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Like it or not EV's are coming, and an increasing number of caravanners will using them. Caravan sites will have to consider having charging points otherwise they will begin to lose business. They could of course make it a marketing point to attract new business.
However will they install one on every pitch or just have 3 or 4 charging points in a car park. Many caravan sites do not even have a car park outside their gates. If the site closes down for the winter it will take them even longer to recoup the outlay. I would think that many would hold back until they had no option to decide the best course of action.
 
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As I've already said I think there are business incentives for Electric charger installations for businesses-we're getting one and work and as no one other than me has an ev I don't think it's for me-they're doing it for the grants! Besides which they'll simply have to Buckman.
 
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However will they install one on every pitch or just have 3 or 4 charging points in a car park. Many caravan sites do not even have a car park outside their gates. If the site closes down for the winter it will take them even longer to recoup the outlay. I would think that many would hold back until they had no option to decide the best course of action.
You don’t just need to charge on site after all they don’t have petrol or diesel pumps. It will mean making some adjustments to peoples routines.
 
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You don’t just need to charge on site after all they don’t have petrol or diesel pumps. It will mean making some adjustments to peoples routines.
Which is true and why many sites probably will not bother as although they may get the initial grant it is the upkeep and maintenance that is an other issue and they have to recoup those expenses somehow.
If they increase the price of the pitches to recoup costs then they may start to lose customers especially those that still have ICE vehicles and those vehicles will be around for a very long time after we are forced onto EVs.
The other option is sell up and offer the land for buildings for all the new immigrants. :D
 
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Which is true and why many sites probably will not bother as although they may get the initial grant it is the upkeep and maintenance that is an other issue and they have to recoup those expenses somehow.
If they increase the price of the pitches to recoup costs then they may start to lose customers especially those that still have ICE vehicles and those vehicles will be around for a very long time after we are forced onto EVs.
The other option is sell up and offer the land for buildings for all the new immigrants. :D

No one is being forced into EVs, and given the length of time most people keep vehicles there’s ample time to make a choice based on an individual’s circumstances and preferences, and as you say ICE will be around for a good while yet.
 
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The average age of a car in the U.K. is 8.4 years. I suspect it will take a lot longer than anticipated for the complete demise of ICEs. Fossil fuels will continue. Today’s EVs will be redundant in 10 years time as new technology emerges with batteries etc. What used EVs will be left suitable in ten years time for Joe Bloggs public 🤔🤔
 
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The average age of a car in the U.K. is 8.4 years. I suspect it will take a lot longer than anticipated for the complete demise of ICEs. Fossil fuels will continue. Today’s EVs will be redundant in 10 years time as new technology emerges with batteries etc. What used EVs will be left suitable in ten years time for Joe Bloggs public 🤔🤔
Toyota are giving 15 years on their batteries for hybrids the life of full EV batteries could be as long. But possibly a reconditioning system will set up just like years ago when fitting a recon engine was a common occurence. Looking at used Leaf prices they still seem to be holding up well. Even if max range reduced there could still be a market for them as second cars or city cars principally charged at home, work or supermarket. But as you say it’s a developing scene.
 
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Toyota are giving 15 years on their batteries for hybrids the life of full EV batteries could be as long. But possibly a reconditioning system will set up just like years ago when fitting a recon engine was a common occurence. Looking at used Leaf prices they still seem to be holding up well. Even if max range reduced there could still be a market for them as second cars or city cars principally charged at home, work or supermarket. But as you say it’s a developing scene.
As cars age, it's normal for their annual average mileage to reduce - this will sit nicely with the reduction in battery capacity over time - although that reduction is greatly exaggerated by some.
 
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Absolutely-plenty of time-buy a diesel tug end of the 2028
and it'll see you till the 2040 and longer if you look after it=so there really is no panic-if on the other hand you are , like us desperate to get into an EV that will tow-because we know how good our Mini is for every day use-then it's all a bit too expensive and frustrating at the mo! I need a lottery win. I am being converted-help-the biggest petrol head ever and I am craving EVs!!!!
 
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Toyota are giving 15 years on their batteries for hybrids the life of full EV batteries could be as long. But possibly a reconditioning system will set up just like years ago when fitting a recon engine was a common occurence. Looking at used Leaf prices they still seem to be holding up well. Even if max range reduced there could still be a market for them as second cars or city cars principally charged at home, work or supermarket. But as you say it’s a developing scene.
I think it was mainly VW that did the reconditioned air cooled engines and you had to be careful where you bought it as some would last the life of the vehicle and others gave endless issues.
 
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I think it was mainly VW that did the reconditioned air cooled engines and you had to be careful where you bought it as some would last the life of the vehicle and others gave endless issues.
I never mentioned air cooled, but not surprising VW reconditioned air cooled as most if not all VWs here were aircooled in the years gone bye. But most of the other makers offered factory reconditioned engines, head or gearboxes etc, and FER were another trade grouping that provided that service. Used to be our “ go to “ page in Exchange and Mart 😀
 
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I never mentioned air cooled, but not surprising VW reconditioned air cooled as most if not all VWs here were aircooled in the years gone bye. But most of the other makers offered factory reconditioned engines, head or gearboxes etc, and FER were another trade grouping that provided that service. Used to be our “ go to “ page in Exchange and Mart 😀
BMC used to sell their Gold Seal factory reconditioned engines - but that was in the days when they didn't last more than 50,000 miles.
 
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BMC used to sell their Gold Seal factory reconditioned engines - but that was in the days when they didn't last more than 50,000 miles.
Amazing how the wheel gets reinvented🤪
Gone are the days of rebores, hepolite pistons ,decokes , now we are going to get the electric version just when the modern ICE can do hundreds of thousands of miles😜😜😜😜
 

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One thing which should not be forgotten, battery powered off highway vehicles have been the norm for many years. Millions of battery powered lift trucks of various types have been going for many decades. The batteries, although old tech' have a lot in common with today's. Maintenance is specialised and battery companies like Varta (just to name one) have many franchised maintenance companies dedicated to it. Replacement batteries are unusual as cells can be replaced. They have a very long life.
 
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...Today’s EVs will be redundant in 10 years time as new technology emerges with batteries etc. What used EVs will be left suitable in ten years time for Joe Bloggs public 🤔🤔
No they won't!

They may be using different materials making and making new vehicles differently which offering greater range, science of the amount of energy needed to move people and goods won't have changed, but there is no reason why todays vehicles will be redundant.

Older vehicles may not be used for longer journeys, but there will most likely be some people who don't need 3 of 4 hundred miles of range, or they might be used for second cars for shopping or Doctors, or school runs.

The science of the energy needed to travel isn't going to change, so its always going to be compromise between weight and range.
 
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One thing which should not be forgotten, battery powered off highway vehicles have been the norm for many years. Millions of battery powered lift trucks of various types have been going for many decades. The batteries, although old tech' have a lot in common with today's. Maintenance is specialised and battery companies like Varta (just to name one) have many franchised maintenance companies dedicated to it. Replacement batteries are unusual as cells can be replaced. They have a very long life.
Many fork-lift trucks are diesel- or LPG-powered - just sayin'.
 

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