About time!

[otherclive]

Good for you. Luckily for you with only have hybrids so no need for you to pay the full whack for ours as I am assuming you are happy to pay for it.

Why should we pay VED and then 3p per mile on top of the duty and the VAT for a litre of fuel and we still have poorly maintained roads with pot holes etc.

I really do think that HMG would find it difficult to add pay per mile on a standard hybrid. Such cars pay fuel duties and vat, whereas EV and PHEV predominantly make use of low priced low vat electric. Any improvement in mpg for a hybrid is gained by regeneration and charging from its engine which consumes fuel on which duty and vat has been paid. I think your views are in part due to I’ll informed media speculation where most correspondents probably don’t know differences in technology or deliberately sow mid understanding. We should be more concerned with a postulated 2pence on income tax or an extension of rate thresholds. As 3p per mile would then seem like a bargain.

 

[Buckman]

I really do think that HMG would find it difficult to add pay per mile on a standard hybrid. Such cars pay fuel duties and vat, whereas EV and PHEV predominantly make use of low priced low vat electric. Any improvement in mpg for a hybrid is gained by regeneration and charging from its engine which consumes fuel on which duty and vat has been paid. I think your views are in part due to I’ll informed media speculation where most correspondents probably don’t know differences in technology or deliberately sow mid understanding. We should be more concerned with a postulated 2pence on income tax or an extension of rate thresholds. As 3p per mile would then seem like a bargain.

I would agree except that it is mentioned in the better than average newspapers. No idea if it is also in the rag newspapers as not bothered top read them?

 

[Oscarmax]

Thinking out loud would they not be better off just adding 2 pence kWh to public chargers, no real different to petrol pumps.

 

[RogerL]

I wonder what happens if you travel to France as you are hit with the French 'péage' tolls tax plus the the "Lady from accounts" tax? Hardly fair?

No different to driving the M6 Toll here in the UK - or Road Equivalent Tariff (RET) on Scottish ferries.

 

[Oscarmax]

I would not worry too much Racheal in accounts is going to remove the 5 pence a litre cap in the budget to those of you who think you have been left out

 

[otherclive]

Here’s a mischievous headline from The Express. It’s not at all about what a readers first understanding might be, but the November bit puts it into what some might consider Budget territory.

 

[Buckman]

Sometimes I think the leaks are done to make things look bad. On the actual day, it is half of what was leaked so every one goes "Whew" not realising they are still being fleeced anyway! By the way if towing a caravan you may pay double! LOL! 🤣 🤣

 

[RogerL]

Sometimes I think the leaks are done to make thongs look bad. On the actual day, it is half of what was leaked so every one goes "Whew" not realising they are still being fleeced anyway! By the way if towing a caravan you may pay double! LOL! 🤣 🤣

We already do - the extra petrol/diesel fuel used while towing has duty already paid for at the pump.

 

[otherclive]

Sometimes I think the leaks are done to make thongs look bad. On the actual day, it is half of what was leaked so every one goes "Whew" not realising they are still being fleeced anyway! By the way if towing a caravan you may pay double! LOL! 🤣 🤣

I like thongs, the Aussie type though 😱

 

[Sam Vimes]

I prefer the non Aussie ones.....we'll not on me anyway. 😉

 

[Buckman]

I wonder if they will impose the charge on mobility scooters as the road ones need to have tax and insurance?

 

[otherclive]

I wonder if they will impose the charge on mobility scooters as the road ones need to have tax and insurance?

Should I get rid of my rechargeable battery DIY tools and go back to basic manual ones? I can’t imagine any government would want to face a backlash on mobility scooters.

I thought road ones have to be registered but no VED.insurance isn’t compulsory either.

 

[Buckman]

Should I get rid of my rechargeable battery DIY tools and go back to basic manual ones? I can’t imagine any government would want to face a backlash on mobility scooters.

I thought road ones have to be registered but no VED.insurance isn’t compulsory either.

It was a tongue in cheek comment, but I guess anything is possible with the lady from accounts. 🤣 🤣

 

[ProfJohnL]

If the reports are correct about planned changes on tax for transport, HMG will have no trouble identifying vehicle types i.e. Hybrid and PHEV Petrol Diesel Hydrogen etc and thus determine who should use which as such information is part of the vehicles registration. Those vehicles classed as hybrid but not plug in should not need to pay by mile, as all the energy they use still comes solely from petrol or diesel. Plug in hybrids can have a lower pay by mile rate with full EV's having the top rate.

The Plug in hybrids are the odd one out, here becasue its up to the driver to decide if they use the plug in facility or not, and if they don't they would end up paying for fuel duty for all their milage and still be billed for pay by mile. It would almost certainly make business drivers of PHEV's will be encouraged to use the plug in facility to reduce the amount of fossil fuel they use.

 

[Buckman]

There is no way that it will happen during the life of this parliament or even the next parliament, but in the meantime the taxpayer will be footing the bill for the government departments or quangos set up to investigate if it is feasible.

Even if they get it off the ground, it will need to be passed by parliament and then the House of Lords and if the next government is a different party, I doubt if that government will want to commit political suicide so soon after being elected. Their manifesto before election may even have a clause stating ti will be scrapped as that may get them a lot of votes.

I doubt if it will happen within out lifetime or even the lifetimes of our grandkids!

 

[RogerL]

I wonder if they will impose the charge on mobility scooters as the road ones need to have tax and insurance?

No they don't need VED or insurance - they can be registered but that's optional and even if they are, the VED is £0 and is automatically renewed each year - the insurance is optional as well.

 

[otherclive]

No they don't need VED or insurance - they can be registered but that's optional and even if they are, the VED is £0 and is automatically renewed each year - the insurance is optional as well.

For Class3 scooters they must be registered but have £0 VED which is renewed automatically.

Using mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs

The rules for driving mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs on roads, pavements and footpaths.

www.gov.uk

 

[RogerL]

For Class3 scooters they must be registered but have £0 VED which is renewed automatically.

Using mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs

The rules for driving mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs on roads, pavements and footpaths.

www.gov.uk

Registration of class 3 mobility scooters was optional when I bought mine - I stand corrected as that's clearly changed.

When I bought mine, in 2018, displaying the registration was also optional - I don't know if that's still true.

 

[Buckman]

Registration of class 3 mobility scooters was optional when I bought mine - I stand corrected as that's clearly changed.

When I bought mine, in 2018, displaying the registration was also optional - I don't know if that's still true.

I think it could still be optional, but if used on the road, it may need to be registered?

 

[otherclive]

I think it could still be optional, but if used on the road, it may need to be registered?

If used on a road a class 3 scooter must be registered as stated in the link I posted above. They are given a registration number but that does not require to be displayed.

 

[Beachball]

No they don't need VED or insurance - they can be registered but that's optional and even if they are, the VED is £0 and is automatically renewed each year - the insurance is optional as well.

Like what you said it optional registered and insurance but my Kymco Midi XLS mobility scooter is registered and fully insured the VED IS £0 renewed so far since new to me.

 

[ProfJohnL]

For Class3 scooters they must be registered but have £0 VED which is renewed automatically.

Using mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs

The rules for driving mobility scooters and powered wheelchairs on roads, pavements and footpaths.

www.gov.uk

Do not rely on this web page as being the definitive rules. As ever with the Gov't portal the information has been massively compressed, and has been shown on several occasions to not always give concise accurate information. You have to go to the underlying Acts of Parliament of Regulations to see the nuances which might be different from these webpages.

 

[otherclive]

Do not rely on this web page as being the definitive rules. As ever with the Gov't portal the information has been massively compressed, and has been shown on several occasions to not always give concise accurate information. You have to go to the underlying Acts of Parliament of Regulations to see the nuances which might be different from these webpages.

What a negative post, how many people do you really expect are going to spend time trying to delve into Acts of Parliament, if they can even find the details required. I suppose by that logic even enquires to DVLA would be a waste of time. One thing I would support though is to find concise information, a facet not always visible on this Forum.

 

[Oscarmax]

If used on a road a class 3 scooter must be registered as stated in the link I posted above. They are given a registration number but that does not require to be displayed.

I have a class 3 8mph scooter a few years ago the regulations were change class 3 scooter require a log book and provided with a registration no, I never fitted them, also every year I was sent a tax disc, again which I never displayed. To date I have not used my class 3 scooter, it just too dangerous.

On the pavement they are limited to 4 mph not 8 mph as we have often witnessed.

 

[Beachball]

If used on a road a class 3 scooter must be registered as stated in the link I posted above. They are given a registration number but that does not require to be displayed.

I do use my Kymco on the road because it a class 3 scooter and the tax disc goes into the pocket behind the seat with, insurance it easier access to my hospital and parking no problem.