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I tow a swift 550 single axle max weight 1495 with a 2.0d 180bhp Ford Kuga with a powershift gear box it tows the caravan much better than my manual 2012 2.0 xtrail 170bhp. Kuga’s are probably the least expensive main stream SUV . The powershift gearbox was sorted out after around 2015 I believe. I have had three Kuga’s not had any problems at all. All 2.0 diesels, 2x 180 1x150bhp. I think they offer good value. 40+ mpg solo 27 towing last time out .

I think I’ve narrowed it down to either this Kuga model or a similar Sportage. Both appear to come with the mod cons I would desire for my largely solo driving.

A decent spec Tiguan is slightly out of my budget used, as I’m trading in I don’t want to add much more on than my current car value.

Kuga appears to be heavier which might work out for slightly future proofing. Albeit some used websites had the same mpg as the Sorento did at a similar price and higher spec which surely can’t be right given the sheer weight.

I know you say 40mpg solo, is that urban or motorway? The specs for mpg on the Sportage and Kuga appear to vary, I’m looking between 2017/2019 models to get similar to what I have now.
 

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I think I’ve narrowed it down to either this Kuga model or a similar Sportage. Both appear to come with the mod cons I would desire for my largely solo driving.

A decent spec Tiguan is slightly out of my budget used, as I’m trading in I don’t want to add much more on than my current car value.

Kuga appears to be heavier which might work out for slightly future proofing. Albeit some used websites had the same mpg as the Sorento did at a similar price and higher spec which surely can’t be right given the sheer weight.

I know you say 40mpg solo, is that urban or motorway? The specs for mpg on the Sportage and Kuga appear to vary, I’m looking between 2017/2019 models to get similar to what I have now.
Re MPG I barely do any real town driving , mostly country lanes A and B roads and Milton Keynes, plus Mway journey every 5 weeks 300 miles . I don’t do a lot of miles in the car per year, I am no boy racer but don’t drive slowly either the on board mpg is always around 40mpg goes up on a run . My manual Kuga’s were a bit better on fuel. If your going powershift route the gearbox must be serviced with proper proof. Around 36k or 3 or 4 years depending on the service schedule. Don’t buy one if you doubt the service history same as a VAG with the DSG gear box. As long as they are serviced they are fine. Lots of low mileage Kuga’s around Vegnale with some extras are a good spec and value. Good luck with your search. Sportage should still have warranty but a bit underpowered I found when I hired one on holiday.
 
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The manufacturers have to submit each model of car to a set of tests to determine the vehicles official MPG. In real life its almost meaningless, as very few people's real driving would match the tests specifications, Whilst the official figures may not be a match for you it usually does provide a consistent method of comparing different vehicles mpg's

Give the same car to two people and ask them to drive the same route, and the chances are they will return differnt mpg's becasue of difference in their driving style, and changes to road conditions.
 
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When they do the mpg test it is probably on a nice smooth oval track at Millbrook in perfect conditions so a high mpg is to be expected.
 

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ICE cars with Smart Alternators use regenerative breaking to charge the battery.

Alternators can present a significant load on the engine. So cars with Smart Alternators will use the battery, when it's in a good state of charge, to power the electrics/electronics and the alternator output will be reduced. This removes some of its load on the engine.

When coasting or breaking the Smart Alternator cuts in again to recharge the battery. This will also slow the car although it seems hardly noticeable.
 
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While on the subject of MPG. We've just done the longest run ever in our car, from Skye to deepest Cornwall. Average MPG, 85.

The first part through the Highlands until south of Glasgow then mostly motorway the rest of the way.

Not towing obviously 😁
 
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Good morning Prof,
Just read your post from Tuesday. I am saddened to learn of the passing of your wife in June. A very hard time for you. I hope you are coping and adapting to a new kind of life. Keep up with the posts and banter😎. Best wishes DD
 
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When they do the mpg test it is probably on a nice smooth oval track at Millbrook in perfect conditions so a high mpg is to be expected.
It's done on a rolling road under laboratory conditions. It's supposed to replicate real world driving, but it doesn't seem to replicate the way most people drive in the real world.
 
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It's done on a rolling road under laboratory conditions. It's supposed to replicate real world driving, but it doesn't seem to replicate the way most people drive in the real world.
Not sure about that as we had to deliver Vauxhalls to Millbrook for testing, but then this was way back in the mid nineties so things may have changed.
 
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Oh yes, you don't want to be putting a car on a test track, only to find you unfortunately get an accurate MPG.
Even in the days test tracks were used for economy tests the manufacturers were allegedly fiddling the results, taping up panel joints and removing wing mirrors for better aero dynamics etc. Unfortunately the new test regimes didn't stop them finding ways to enhance the results, hence the dieselgate scandal.
 
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Not sure about that as we had to deliver Vauxhalls to Millbrook for testing, but then this was way back in the mid nineties so things may have changed.
Manufacturers will carry out a wide variety of tests on new designs, and will use many different types of proving systems, not every test is necessarily related to the official MPG tests.

As Beardy stated the official MPG figures are derived from a specific type of test defined by the Govt. The manufacture will need to carry them out in addition to all the other design proving work which may be performed at a number of different facilities around the country, like Millbrook, or indeed MIRA near Nuneaton and others.

Whilst some testing will be monitoring MPG of the vehicle, The official MPG figures can only be produced in accordance with the Government's Procedure.

Manufacturers will optimise their products to give their best fuel efficiency under the official test conditions. This is not quite the same as Diesel gate, becasue the official MPG tests are not carried out at a single speed, but across a range of speeds and duties prescribed by the test regime, even though the regime is not very realistic.
 

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