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I have just come across this which may also be of interest in the Hydrogen debate.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7CCq4oBgw4
Thank you an interesting insight into what could be an exciting development. Be interested to see how it progresses. I note the trucks featured were Hyundai who do seem to have a keen interest for hydrogen power. I suspect as developments proceed we may be faced with a VHS versus Betamax scenario.
 

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Thank you an interesting insight into what could be an exciting development. Be interested to see how it progresses. I note the trucks featured were Hyundai who do seem to have a keen interest for hydrogen power. I suspect as developments proceed we may be faced with a VHS versus Betamax scenario.
I dont think it will happen like the VHS/Betamax thing. The use of H2 will lend itself to certain types of vehicles, particularly heavy, local vehicles for which the weight of batteries would be disproportionate, and transportation of the H2 would be easier using refuelling hubs. Lighter vehicles, ie passenger cars, would be better served with batteries using the national grid for charging, at least for the short term whilst distribution of H2 is developed.
 
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I dont think it will happen like the VHS/Betamax thing. The use of H2 will lend itself to certain types of vehicles, particularly heavy, local vehicles for which the weight of batteries would be disproportionate, and transportation of the H2 would be easier using refuelling hubs. Lighter vehicles, ie passenger cars, would be better served with batteries using the national grid for charging, at least for the short term whilst distribution of H2 is developed.
Overall the Betamax was the more superior system however the VHS was marketed more aggressively hence Betamax lost out in the domestic market.
Many broadcasting studios continued to use the Beta system for many years after the domestic units were stopped as the recordings for broadcast were of a higher quality than from a VHS system. The VHS system was cheaper and nasty in comparison!
 
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Overall the Betamax was the more superior system however the VHS was marketed more aggressively hence Betamax lost out in the domestic market.
Many broadcasting studios continued to use the Beta system for many years after the domestic units were stopped as the recordings for broadcast were of a higher quality than from a VHS system. The VHS system was cheaper and nasty in comparison!

Oops my TIC comment has now sparked a serious tangential offshoot. 😀
 
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And the failed Phillips V2000. Allegedly VHS won the day because more porn videos were available.
As another deviation we went from Cathode ray tube, to LED to Plasma and recently to 4K ONED stuff. The plasma took some beating but was power hungry and got very warm🥵🥵
 

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All energy consumption in the home reduces demand on the central heating, so switching to low energy TV, fridge, etc just increases the heating requirement.

E=mc2 according to Einstein.
Yes... Switching from Halogen bulbs to Led bulbs (another thread) can have the same affect.

Personally I'm signing up for a Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor to go in the back garden.

Bring back the Trolley Bus.
 
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Sweden of course is lucky.
45% is hydroelectric and 30%nuclear . More than 17 per cent of the electricity comes from wind power.
Their lorry system will put paid to one HGV taking ten miles to overtake😜😜
 
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Yes... Switching from Halogen bulbs to Led bulbs (another thread) can have the same affect.

Personally I'm signing up for a Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor to go in the back garden.

Bring back the Trolley Bus.
When I left school I joined Rolls-Royce in Derby, not the nuclear division though, and they still had trolley buses there but sadly got rid of them in the name of progress!
 
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When I left school I joined Rolls-Royce in Derby, not the nuclear division though, and they still had trolley buses there but sadly got rid of them in the name of progress!
Some cities in the world are introducing modern trolley buses and there are some that can stow the pantograph when they reach the perimeter of the overhead system, then continue into the suburbs on an ancillary electrical system many using small APU but there are others using cleaner systems.

http://www.tbus.org.uk/article.htm
 
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Thanks for that - very interesting.
Very interesting. When viewing it other electric truck videos came up. I was surprised to see India is seriously trialling such a system, Tata are making heavy electric trucks and buses, and 700 km of road are being resurfaced using plastic waste. Although I’m not sure the latter is a good idea, given the wear particles are likely to end up in your lungs, or the oceans. But India has put a lot of effort into electrified railways and seeing the video on their trial of highways shows that even less developed countries are taking action. The best videos though are in Hindi but you can still get the gist.

The link below describes Rwanda producing self made electric motor bikes.
Rwanda goes electric with locally made motorbikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820548
 
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Very interesting. When viewing it other electric truck videos came up. I was surprised to see India is seriously trialling such a system, Tata are making heavy electric trucks and buses, and 700 km of road are being resurfaced using plastic waste. Although I’m not sure the latter is a good idea, given the wear particles are likely to end up in your lungs, or the oceans. But India has put a lot of effort into electrified railways and seeing the video on their trial of highways shows that even less developed countries are taking action. The best videos though are in Hindi but you can still get the gist.

The link below describes Rwanda producing self made electric motor bikes.
Rwanda goes electric with locally made motorbikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820548

About 3 years ago there was a TV item about a Scottish company who had developed a method of using a vast mixture of waste plastic, Some of which was otherwise non recyclable, into a road surface. They had permission to lay an experimental mile in the Lake District. But I have heard nothing since, perhaps the test is still on going.

Your concern re particles was not mentioned, but I take your point.

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Went past the Cluannie Inn yesterday. Diesel at £184.9. Didn't see anyone that desperate.
I recall the Isle of Arran fuel was 20 p more than the mainland. Yet two years ago Achilitiebuie it was cheaper than Wiltshire. Did they throw in breakfast🤪🤪
 
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Just put nearly £75 quids worth in my Tucson and that garage was cheaper than most. Now diesel is about 50% more than not so long ago! Good job I don't do a stack of mileage and am not driving for a living and feel sorry for those who are.
 
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