Electricity cost in UK

[otherclive]

Wow excuse after excuse to justify wasting money on an EV.

It is not an excuse, as is quite obvious that trying to obtain data along a common baseline for electricity or EV sales is not a trivial task. So given the number of EVs in UK, admittedly not many suitable to tow your caravan, why is it a waste of money? Or are you just intent on stoking up another extended thread that eventually has to be locked. There are two pre owned ones near to us, with sensible mileages at below £9k ,that quite frankly would make excellent second cars, or first cars too. for new drivers, or pensioners runabout.

 

[Buckman]

It is not an excuse, as is quite obvious that trying to obtain data along a common baseline for electricity or EV sales is not a trivial task. So given the number of EVs in UK, admittedly not many suitable to tow your caravan, why is it a waste of money? Or are you just intent on stoking up another extended thread that eventually has to be locked. There are two pre owned ones near to us, with sensible mileages at below £9k ,that quite frankly would make excellent second cars, or first cars too. for new drivers, or pensioners runabout.

Yep quiet correct as sick and tired of having the EVs nonsense dragged up on many threads when there is no necessity. Wanting the UK net zero by 2050 is for the delusional! If people want to discuss or brag about EVs, then they can start their own threads and I have no objection. EVs will probably be like dead ducks within the next 10 years the way technology is moving and may have no future, but if people want to waste money on them that is their choice.

 

[Buckman]

It was reported yesterday UK electricity is now about 50pc more expensive than in Germany and France, and four times as expensive as in the US.
I wonder if this is having an adverse effect on EV sales?

Saudi have recently reduced oil prices which we are now enjoying at the pumps.


I am surprised at the cost disparity . I have no wish to reopen the EV debate please but am interested why the U.K. is out of sink on power prices? I think I know the answer, too much tinkering with methods of generation over the last 30 years! .??

Seems some have already forgotten your first post where you requested that you have no wish to reopen the EV debate.

 

[Dustydog]

Comparing costs of electricty in different countries doesn't really mean much. Income, disposable income and taxes also need to be compared.

It does in the U.K. especially when we are buying electricity from Europe at certain times and of course other power generating materials from USA.
Look at Germany.
Their “green” plans went to the wall with the Ukraine / Russia war. Sensibly to protect their energy consumption they reopened a number of coal fired power stations extending the planned closures to 2038.
The U.K. 2030 date should only be a target not an absolute insoluble must at all costs.

 

[otherclive]

Seems some have already forgotten your first post where you requested that you have no wish to reopen the EV debate.

It was DDs #1 that mentioned not reopening the EV debate. Your quite disparaging post was insulting to the many owners of EVs who enjoy their vehicles, irrespective of what my views are on EVs.

 

[otherclive]

It does in the U.K. especially when we are buying electricity from Europe at certain times and of course other power generating materials from USA.
Look at Germany.
Their “green” plans went to the wall with the Ukraine / Russia war. Sensibly to protect their energy consumption they reopened a number of coal fired power stations extending the planned closures to 2038.
The U.K. 2030 date should only be a target not an absolute insoluble must at all costs.

Germany started the phase out of nuclear power in 2011 following Fukushima which pre emptied Ukraine by a decade.

The history behind Germany's nuclear phase-out

www.cleanenergywire.org

SMARD | Electricity market in transition - this is how electricity market 2.0 works

www.smard.de

 

[Dustydog]

Come on boys let’s put the knives away.

I started this thread on the genuine electricity cost debate started in a number of the U.K. newspapers and other Forums.

Now I am happy to start the EV debate again. Lovers and haters , clean and green . Once driven never smitten . Never tried you don’t know what you’ve missed.
Who wants a real good E.V debate with no animosity?😇😇😇

 

[Oscarmax]

As stated before 2024 has not been a good solar year, however over the last 12 month period with our solar/battery set up £ 9,500 as regards electricity we are breaking as regard import and export including standing charges, at present we are for both gas and electric we are £690.44 in credit and pay £50 a month all in.

All the above includes charging up our Suzuki Across PHEV to date 1770 kWh

From my Octopus Watch APP my 12 month import usage.:

Agile £558.36
Go £743.35
Tracker £763.84
Flux £855.78
Standard £1025.90

Calculations inc VAT and standing charge or export

 

[otherclive]

Come on boys let’s put the knives away.

I started this thread on the genuine electricity cost debate started in a number of the U.K. newspapers and other Forums.

Now I am happy to start the EV debate again. Lovers and haters , clean and green . Once driven never smitten . Never tried you don’t know what you’ve missed.
Who wants a real good E.V debate with no animosity?😇😇😇

Just what would be being debated? It will no doubt come up again in the future. Be nice though if it dispensed with pointless disparaging comments of no substance.

 

[Oscarmax]

Come on boys let’s put the knives away.

I started this thread on the genuine electricity cost debate started in a number of the U.K. newspapers and other Forums.

Now I am happy to start the EV debate again. Lovers and haters , clean and green . Once driven never smitten . Never tried you don’t know what you’ve missed.
Who wants a real good E.V debate with no animosity?😇😇😇

We are up for a EV debate we drive aPHEV not quite convinced we are ready for a full EV, the infrastructure and there high charging cost.

 

[GUMPY]

From my Octopus Watch APP my 12 month import usage.:

Agile £558.36
Go £743.35
Tracker £763.84
Flux £855.78
Standard £1025.90

Calculations inc VAT and standing charge or export

Slightly lower import here:
Agile £365
Would have been
£507 on flux
£609 on standard
This is about 1/3 of the electricity we actually use, 65% of our electric use comes from the sun either direct or via the battery.

Export not included that's an extra £410 in my pocket

Unit price in single figures tomorrow afternoon and lower on Sunday😎
My average unit price this year has been 9.5p
The joys of smart meters and time of use tarriffs.

 

[Oscarmax]

Slightly lower import here:
Agile £365
Would have been
£507 on flux
£609 on standard
This is about 1/3 of the electricity we actually use, 65% of our electric use comes from the sun either direct or via the battery.

Export not included that's an extra £410 in my pocket

Unit price in single figures tomorrow afternoon and lower on Sunday😎

The majority of our electric is also from our solar panels and battery, approximately 1766 kWh of our import accounts for our PHEV, we only use petrol when we are towing or on holiday. Our export is very similar.

 

[Dustydog]

Just what would be being debated? It will no doubt come up again in the future. Be nice though if it dispensed with pointless disparaging comments of no substance.

That’s just it Clive. None of the comments made are with any substance. Just views which can be argued against,
I guess if it was so non disparaging it wouldn’t be discussed at all😉

Now a chap like you in white shorts will certainly be able to contribute to a new thread pointless or not , we will enjoy the differing views😉😎.
There is no I’m right in a discussion.That’s the fun on a Forum👍

 

[Tobes]

Wow excuse after excuse to justify wasting money on an EV.

I know you don't share my enthusiasm, but no excuses made, no money wasted, just hassle free, low cost motoring (and super cheap home electricity)

 

[Buckman]

I know you don't share my enthusiasm, but no excuses made, no money wasted, just hassle free, low cost motoring (and super cheap home electricity)

Same with our 1996 Corolla. No excuses, no money wasted, hassle free and low cost motoring even 28 years later. Probably still be going in another 28 years. No costs to have a super charger installed at home and the vehicle cost a whole lot less than any EV. Will your EV be going strong in 28 years time or will it be on the recycling scrap heap? LOL!

 

[Oscarmax]

Our current lease is due to end in 2026, we may have the option to extend, if that is not the case at our age we are going to give up caravanning and go full EV.

 

[Dustydog]

I know you don't share my enthusiasm, but no excuses made, no money wasted, just hassle free, low cost motoring (and super cheap home electricity)

Tobes
May I ask exactly what One pedal driving is like in reality and every day use. I hadn’t seen this before .

 

[ProfJohnL]

Tobes
May I ask exactly what One pedal driving is like in reality and every day use. I hadn’t seen this before .

Most EV's have regenerative braking, It depends on model by model, but when one pedal driving is engaged, whenever the pressure of the accelerator pedal is reduced, the car reverts to a regenerative braking mode and will slow down. The degree of braking effort is modulated by the position of accelerator pedal. If the pedal is released fully the car will slow down and eventually the mechanical brakes take over and complete the deceleration until you stop moving, and the brakes will continue to hold the car stationary until the accelerator is pressed again.

I have regenerative braking in my VW GTE, and it works as above but only in conjunction with the adaptive cruise control. without the cruise control switched on, the regenerative braking can be selected but it only slows the car, it wont stop it or hold it, I have to use the brake pedal as well, which does have auto hold.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Same with our 1996 Corolla. No excuses, no money wasted, hassle free and low cost motoring even 28 years later. Probably still be going in another 28 years. No costs to have a super charger installed at home and the vehicle cost a whole lot less than any EV. Will your EV be going strong in 28 years time or will it be on the recycling scrap heap? LOL!

Looking at the Governments vehicle registration's figures and in conjunction with the scrap merchants Trade organisations figures, cars and small vans seem to have usable average life of 17.5 years.. Obviously some will be longer and some shorter (usually due to accident damage).

Consequently your Toyota is an unusual all though Toyota's are recognised as a pretty reliable product.

As the effective EV revolution is still less the 17.5 years old, its impossible to make a valid comparison about the average life expectancy of EV's yet, But so far EV's have proven to be more reliable and long lived than the doom stories put about by the ANTI EV lobby have proclaimed.

 

[Buckman]

Looking at the Governments vehicle registration's figures and in conjunction with the scrap merchants Trade organisations figures, cars and small vans seem to have usable average life of 17.5 years.. Obviously some will be longer and some shorter (usually due to accident damage).

Consequently your Toyota is an unusual all though Toyota's are recognised as a pretty reliable product.

As the effective EV revolution is still less the 17.5 years old, its impossible to make a valid comparison about the average life expectancy of EV's yet, But so far EV's have proven to be more reliable and long lived than the doom stories put about by the ANTI EV lobby have proclaimed.

There is a slight possibility you may be correct, but in the span of 28 years will the original battery still be effective? Seems unlikely at this point, but maybe in the latest new models they will last a lot longer than 10 years?

I am not anti EV just anti EV dialogue being rammed down our throats at every opportunity. As suggested by DD those that what to discuss the merits of an EV, join an EV forum as there must be loads of them around.

 

[Tobes]

Tobes
May I ask exactly what One pedal driving is like in reality and every day use. I hadn’t seen this before .

I love it. My wife hates it. It's just like having a particularly strong form of engine braking on a petrol car, but means that when you lift off the accelerator, the car starts to slow as if under braking.

On almost all EVs you turn it on and off using some control and and many you can change the strength of the brake force imposed too.

The net result is that you can drive with out using the brake pedal at all, and the friction brakes (which only get used under hard braking) are barely used at all, hugely extending their life time.

 

[Tobes]

There is a slight possibility you may be correct, but in the span of 28 years will the original battery still be effective? Seems unlikely at this point, but maybe in the latest new models they will last a lot longer than 10 years?

I am not anti EV just anti EV dialogue being rammed down our throats at every opportunity. As suggested by DD those that what to discuss the merits of an EV, join an EV forum as there must be loads of them around.

Pretty sure this thread was started with a question about EVs. Just checking, and - Yes - it was. It was started in the Chit-chat section, open to any topic. Don't want to engage - scroll on by. The mouse wheel is in your command!

In the mean time - those who do want to engage will continue to answer questions like Dusty's who have genuine interest, and I for one, am happy to help with my knowledge based on lived experience, rather that conjecture and guesswork.

 

[otherclive]

There is a slight possibility you may be correct, but in the span of 28 years will the original battery still be effective? Seems unlikely at this point, but maybe in the latest new models they will last a lot longer than 10 years?

I am not anti EV just anti EV dialogue being rammed down our throats at every opportunity. As suggested by DD those that what to discuss the merits of an EV, join an EV forum as there must be loads of them around.

Where did you get a 10 year battery life from? Some are being warranted for longer than that. Given EVs are still in their relative infancy I would expect battery costs to reduce IE Blade by BYD and there is an undoubted possibility that exchange batteries may be produced. But frankly if a car has done 15 years on its original battery it’s pretty nearing well banger status anyway.
Read Sam’s post about his daughters Leaf.

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[Buckman]

Where did you get a 10 year battery life from? Some are being warranted for longer than that. Given EVs are still in their relative infancy I would expect battery costs to reduce IE Blade by BYD and there is an undoubted possibility that exchange batteries may be produced. But frankly if a car has done 15 years on its original battery it’s pretty nearing well banger status anyway.
Read Sam’s post about his daughters Leaf.

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Please read my post again and this time try and understand what I was saying. Many of the older EVs have required a battery replacement at a very high cost. I have zero interest in any Leaf.

Pretty sure this thread was started with a question about EVs. Just checking, and - Yes - it was. It was started in the Chit-chat section, open to any topic. Don't want to engage - scroll on by. The mouse wheel is in your command!

In the mean time - those who do want to engage will continue to answer questions like Dusty's who have genuine interest, and I for one, am happy to help with my knowledge based on lived experience, rather that conjecture and guesswork.

May I suggest that you re-read the first post which was about the COST of electric and not about EVs.

 

[otherclive]

Please read my post again and this time try and understand what I was saying. Many of the older EVs have required a battery replacement at a very high cost. I have zero interest in any Leaf.

May I suggest that you re-read the first post which was about the COST of electric and not about EVs.

I had read your post first time around but I’ve yet to see any substantial evidence that even early EVs had to have battery replacement in the 10 year timescale. It was primarily initial conjecture when journalists were unaware of what the life of a battery would be. I really don’t care what folks think about the Nissan Leaf but given by the numbers of 10 years plus on Autotrader Nissan got something right on one of the earliest main stream EVs.