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This is exactly like the National Trust have installed at Cragside to replace Lord Armstrong's system-amazing place! However this is on a far bigger scale of course-love the fact that they can slow the screws to back the water up in effect storing energy for high demand periods. THANK YOU so much Gafferbill-beginning to believe those who said it was a non starter-clearly it is-with the correct investment/conditions re geography etc. Let's hope it is very successful and we see more of this in the future-huge resource we are not using.
 
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This is exactly like the National Trust have installed at Cragside to replace Lord Armstrong's system-amazing place! However this is on a far bigger scale of course-love the fact that they can slow the screws to back the water up in effect storing energy for high demand periods. THANK YOU so much Gafferbill-beginning to believe those who said it was a non starter-clearly it is-with the correct investment/conditions re geography etc. Let's hope it is very successful and we see more of this in the future-huge resource we are not using.
Archimedes screws are mostly applicable to smaller scale projects and fir the utilities to use them would be expensive. So they tend to be used in conjunction with a project where the energy produced is used locally and excess then sold back into the grid if connected. The 2012 Olympics had one fir the white water rafting. So any widespread use would probably have to come from private developments. Or possibly tidal lagoons or barrages.
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2010/09/power-generation-by-archimedes-screw/

https://www.renewablesfirst.co.uk/h...rning-centre/archimedean-screw-hydro-turbine/
 
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THANK YOU so much Gafferbill-beginning to believe those who said it was a non starter-clearly it is-with the correct investment/conditions re geography etc. Let's hope it is very successful and we see more of this in the future-huge resource we are not using.

For clarity, I don't think anyone is saying it is a non starter from a technical point of view, just disagreeing it is in the scale of things a "huge resource".
Plus, you can't extract energy from water flow, without that having other ramifications.
 
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True fair does-just sounded like a resounding no when this is producing enough for 450 homes-wind turbines get complaints and nuclear is dangerous so there are ramifications in many aspects-large solar arrays take up a large space and take over from crop production-in my mind we should be going down every green route rather than investing in nuclear but hey ho!
 
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This is exactly like the National Trust have installed at Cragside to replace Lord Armstrong's system-amazing place! However this is on a far bigger scale of course-love the fact that they can slow the screws to back the water up in effect storing energy for high demand periods. THANK YOU so much Gafferbill-beginning to believe those who said it was a non starter-clearly it is-with the correct investment/conditions re geography etc. Let's hope it is very successful and we see more of this in the future-huge resource we are not using.
It's a non-starter at large enough scales to make a difference - few houses have the height differential that Cragside has, and then it's just one house.
 

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-large solar arrays take up a large space and take over from crop production-in my

Indeed and that upsets me but the finances no doubt yield more than the arable or the livestock employment of the land yield.
Which brings me back the flying for hours over some of the worlds deserts suggest there are much better places to seek on harvesting the sun's energy in some way or other, at less "damage" to the planet.
 
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The Oxford one dies 450 houses. Tent next to is could do our whole village. This country is So small minded. Prices it can be done in my mind at least.
 
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After watching Long Way Up-we're watching the Rivian with great interest-Us deliveries start June 21 and hopefully we'll see it in 2022. Bit too much money for us at the mo but we're doing the lottery like mad-win and we would put a deposit down on the long range-400 miles . Towing capacity 5000kg and even towing the full 5k range is halved-200miles-far enough for us in go before a proper stop over thank you!
The support and what they did for the programme is unbelievable-how many car or motorcycle manufacturers would put their only prototypes on a TV programme as a test-knowing things could well go wrong-6 episodes in and the only issue seems to be a siezed handbrake.
 
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After watching Long Way Up-we're watching the Rivian with great interest-Us deliveries start June 21 and hopefully we'll see it in 2022. Bit too much money for us at the mo but we're doing the lottery like mad-win and we would put a deposit down on the long range-400 miles . Towing capacity 5000kg and even towing the full 5k range is halved-200miles-far enough for us in go before a proper stop over thank you!
The support and what they did for the programme is unbelievable-how many car or motorcycle manufacturers would put their only prototypes on a TV programme as a test-knowing things could well go wrong-6 episodes in and the only issue seems to be a siezed handbrake.
I am in agreement with you about the Rivian it looks very interesting and cannot wait to see it 2022 but it might be too much money for us at present . :)
 
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The Oxford one dies 450 houses. Tent next to is could do our whole village. This country is So small minded. Prices it can be done in my mind at least.
Yes you can generate power with hydro schemes, but it isn't as simple as just dropping an Archimedes screw in the local stream and running the town on it.

There are some very practical limitations. You need to have sufficient flow (water mass per second) passing through what ever type of hydro generator you are using to overcome frictional losses and transmission losses, and to produce enough power to be worth it.

Looking at bigger systems, we don't enough opportunities in the UK to make large scale practical hydro power generation practical. Just look at Dinorwig In Wales, where the stored water has 100m fall to the generator sets.

Wikipedia says :-
" The scheme can supply a maximum power of 1,728-megawatt and has a storage capacity of around 9.1 GWh. At peak output water flows through the generators at 390 cubic metres (100,000 gallons) per second (about the volume of a 25 metre; 28 yard swimming pool every second)."

That's a lot of water, and we simply do not have enough water fall or storage or practical locations where schemes would work.

Hydro would need to take its place alongside other renewable sources such as wind and solar and be part not the whole of the answer.

There are also considerable ecological concerns which you must take into account if your reason for looking at power generation is to help with climate change and emissions.

Power generation from water flow always slows the flow of water. This can change the conditions both up stream and down stream. More often than not the generator will provide physical block to the natural movement of life through the section. Any form of hydro generation is going to raise the temperature of the water passing through it,

if every one was taking power from the local water course some streams will change so much they wouldn't support the natural life that would inhabit it or its surroundings - the same argument goes for using water source heat recovery for heating.

We have to look to for diversity in power generation and because of variability in most of these options we do need to look at ways we can store when excess is produced.
 
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.........the Dinorwig electricity generating station actually consumes more electricity than it produces.
Whereas the small station on the Thames at Sandford produces electricity at a net gain to the grid!

Dinorwig consumes off peak electricity to pump vast quantities of water to it's high level storage reservoir in order to create the head of water necessary to run the generators when needed for peak demand generation.
It actually uses more electricity than it produces!

The whole point of building the station at Dinorwig is to be able to respond to peak demands within seconds of such a requirement being needed.
 
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I was struggling to see how an Archimedes screw could be used to generating power. I only ever saw them for lifting liquids. So I looked it up, interesting articulate here.

I imagine there are some circumstances where it could be useful and nature friendly. And every little helps.

John
 
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.........the Dinorwig electricity generating station actually consumes more electricity than it produces.
Whereas the small station on the Thames at Sandford produces electricity at a net gain to the grid!

Dinorwig consumes off peak electricity to pump vast quantities of water to it's high level storage reservoir in order to create the head of water necessary to run the generators when needed for peak demand generation.
It actually uses more electricity than it produces!

The whole point of building the station at Dinorwig is to be able to respond to peak demands within seconds of such a requirement being needed.
Thanks Gaffer, I quite agree and fully understand.

I was using it as an example of the scale of water management needed to produce power. I was not looking at its other role as a pump. but the reason they need to pump water back up is becasue there is insufficient flow from the feeder streams to supply the station.

DInorwig is a convenience system to even out supply for peak demands. Despite its inefficiency as a generating system, it still makes financial sense as it buys off peak generation capacity to pump water but sells at peak prices making a net profit. Its a gravity battery, And its a principle that is likely to become used as more EV's and home batteries come on stream.
 
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Here’s a weird one, or is it? South Meadows , Belford , Northumberland, are expecting lots of tuggers who need a rechargeπŸ€ͺπŸ€ͺ.Good on them but not sure what cars are doing the tugging???
 

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Maybe its for electric cars towed behind motor homes.

Now theres a thought, if you do tow an electric car behind a motor home can it recharge the battery through the electric motors ?
 
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Maybe its for electric cars towed behind motor homes.

Now theres a thought, if you do tow an electric car behind a motor home can it recharge the battery through the electric motors ?
Smart EQ Fortwo and Forfour Electric Car Idea for a motor homes
 
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So this weekend you might be able to tell us what types of cars are being charged in South Medows, hope the pubs are still good. πŸΊπŸ‘
 

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