Modern LED headlights have lower power drain than halogen and because of their much improved efficiency give out more lumens per watt, and thus far the Norwegians seem to cope with it.
Norway’s transition to total EV is to be envied but as the last posts show they have had a number of advantages over the U.K.
Very low population, some seriously large subsidies on EV price, a consistent long term energy plan, hydro etc.
Perhaps it’s wrong to even consider the U.K. could realistically mirror Norway’s achievement ? Our entire infrastructure, poor energy production decisions, 80 million population and ever changing politics will no doubt imo delay the realistic ban of ICE new sales way beyond 2030.
Has anyone seen a business model showing the socio eco effects of going EV 2030 , and each year thereafter to say 2040. Just interested . Please no lectures on pros and cons of “green”.
Very low population, some seriously large subsidies on EV price, a consistent long term energy plan, hydro etc.
Perhaps it’s wrong to even consider the U.K. could realistically mirror Norway’s achievement ? Our entire infrastructure, poor energy production decisions, 80 million population and ever changing politics will no doubt imo delay the realistic ban of ICE new sales way beyond 2030.
Has anyone seen a business model showing the socio eco effects of going EV 2030 , and each year thereafter to say 2040. Just interested . Please no lectures on pros and cons of “green”.
I am not sure the term "very limited" is accurate, but "not ubiquitous" would certainly be valid. I.e. "many" , but not "most" could not have access. Studies have shown that somewhere around 2/5th of UK homes may not be suitable for home charging because of a lack of driveway. That means somewhat more than 1/2 are suitable.
Having said that - I totally agree that for real wide spread adoption, cost effective and widely available solutions do need to be found for those who cannot home charge.
It is good news that all new UK buildings will need to provide EV charging (where a car parking space is associated with the car or business) , so new housing and workplaces will have provision.
New UK Homes and Offices to Include EV Charging Points as Standard — TaxiPlus
The lack of EV charging points has been identified as one of the biggest hurdles in getting people to switch over to electric vehicles. Will new legislation on having EV charging points as standard for new builds be enough?
www.taxiplus.co.uk
Although Norway has made the transition to EVs, I wonder how many ICE vehicles are still on the road i.e. HGVs, coaches etc?
I suggested "most" as with high rise flats or buildings it may be impractical to retrospectively install connections due to costs etc. Many housing estates do not have driveways to allow for the installation for EV charging especially inner city areas.I am not sure the term "very limited" is accurate, but "not ubiquitous" would certainly be valid. I.e. "many" , but not "most" could not have access. Studies have shown that somewhere around 2/5th of UK homes may not be suitable for home charging because of a lack of driveway. That means somewhat more than 1/2 are suitable.
Having said that - I totally agree that for real wide spread adoption, cost effective and widely available solutions do need to be found for those who cannot home charge.
It is good news that all new UK buildings will need to provide EV charging (where a car parking space is associated with the car or business) , so new housing and workplaces will have provision.
New UK Homes and Offices to Include EV Charging Points as Standard — TaxiPlus
The lack of EV charging points has been identified as one of the biggest hurdles in getting people to switch over to electric vehicles. Will new legislation on having EV charging points as standard for new builds be enough?
In our village more than half the homes have on street parking so impractical for EV chargers due to costs. Our village and others close by do not have street lighting either and there could be concerns about theft.
Even we we wanted an EV which we could not afford, we would only be able to charge it at a location where we would probably pay a higher price per kwh. We would always be suffering from range anxiety although if we lived in an urban area that may not be so bad.
Whilst not towing range shouldn’t be be an issue. There are charging points installed in lots of unexpected places. Our local farm shops have them, and the truck stop cafe Pit Stop J17 M4 have installed a good number too. When our grandson had a Tesla he commented that he didn’t realise how many were dotted around. He was particularly impressed in Scotland. The other thing he did was to just go for a quick top up to get him home so he could then use cheaper electric.
Understood, there are "many" locations that cant, but it remains the case that "most" can. And, as I say, practical and economic solutions do need to be found for the many in the minority who can't home charge.
I have never considered the introduction of EV's in the UK as being easy. There has so far been consistent doubts about the way the charging infrastructure can be fully implemented, especially through lack of consistent Government direction regarding standards, and consistency of payment provision, but as with any emerging technology, innovative solutions often arise over time that do make the move towards EV's easier.
It's also apparent that living with an EV is never going to be the same as living with ICE technology, it's going to be different! and peoples mindsets about the convenience of just popping to the fuel station may need to be modified to accommodate the way EV's charge and the way we travel longer distances. It's a question of planning ahead. - not all that different to planning a long-distance drive where you plan for comfort brakes.
When you consider how far EV's have improved in the last 10 years, and with the prospect of even better batteries (such as Solid State) which are being suggested could give an EV a 600 mile range, a lifespan of over 6000 charge cycles of 20 to 80% in only 10 minutes and a cumulative working distance of 1,000,000 miles, the differences between ICE and EV are getting smaller.
It's also apparent that living with an EV is never going to be the same as living with ICE technology, it's going to be different! and peoples mindsets about the convenience of just popping to the fuel station may need to be modified to accommodate the way EV's charge and the way we travel longer distances. It's a question of planning ahead. - not all that different to planning a long-distance drive where you plan for comfort brakes.
When you consider how far EV's have improved in the last 10 years, and with the prospect of even better batteries (such as Solid State) which are being suggested could give an EV a 600 mile range, a lifespan of over 6000 charge cycles of 20 to 80% in only 10 minutes and a cumulative working distance of 1,000,000 miles, the differences between ICE and EV are getting smaller.
Tobes , you said
Studies have shown that somewhere around 2/5th of UK homes may not be suitable for home charging because of a lack of driveway
Is that the many in the minority?😉
I think we all agree the ICE will eventually end but I suspect not in our lifetimes.
Is there such a thing as a large mobile charging unit that could serve Buckman’s village?
The AA for one carry emergency fast charging equipment . I haven’t seen it but a friend has seen them use it on his Tesla!
However like for like, at present the EVs do appear to cost a lot more and with the improved battery this may increase the price even further?
Vehicle Exise Duty on EVs is due to be largely synchronised with ICE vehicles next April onwards so costs are set to rise.
There was a study that either the AA or RAC did about 2 years ago that showed around 1/4 to 1/3 of car owning households would not have the ability to charge. This study from Lloyds seems to show a higher number but I could not find the original to make a comparison.
I am not sure ICE will ever go away. Just as steam and pony and trap have not.
I don't think there is any need for a mobile rapid charger, but there is a need for low cost fixed charging; be those dedicated rapid chargers, lower speed longer term chargers at locations such as shops, health centres village halls, or lamp post and in pavement or verge chargers that can be used by residents over night. All these solutions exist today, but the impetus to deploy them is not yet present.
Norway is a unique situation - low population therefore low vehicle demand - mountainous areas suitable for cheap hydro-electric power - climate with excess precipitation to power the former.
It's not an example for anywhere else.
When I was in Norway, when you bought a car, if you had a dog guard across the back of the front seats, and only two people, it could be bought and used as a commercial vehicle for 3 years, No VAT as such and lower Tax.
So my friends had executive Mercedes and BMW's ( with working indicators) and also a second car for when carrying 4 people.
Maybe the same will happen with EVs there.
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