Whale Easi Press High Flow Pump for 2023 Swift

[Saxo Appeal]

Just a curious novice question

We are at a fully serviced pitch and noticed something odd, when looking at someone else’s caravan.

We have our hose connected to the cold water tap (which has the regulator), which then leads to the Truma intake connection, not to our on board storage tank.

Our neighbour has the water going from the tap to the Aquaroll, which then fills up using the ball valve kit, then the hose from the Aquaroll to their intake connection.

Why would they not just have the same supply method as us?

Probably a very simple explanation 😀

 

[ProfJohnL]

Just a curious novice question

We are at a fully serviced pitch and noticed something odd, when looking at someone else’s caravan.

We have our hose connected to the cold water tap (which has the regulator), which then leads to the Truma intake connection, not to our on board storage tank.

Our neighbour has the water going from the tap to the Aquaroll, which then fills up using the ball valve kit, then the hose from the Aquaroll to their intake connection.

Why would they not just have the same supply method as us?

Probably a very simple explanation 😀

Its largely a matter of personal choice, but there have been a few instances of the water line pressure regulator failing and putting full mains water pressure into the caravans pipework. Mains water pressure can easily reach 6 Bar with extra pulses the occur when others on the same water main tune their taps off, This level of pressure will radically exceed the maximum pressure that caravan appliance's are designed to withstand. Appliance's and fitting may leak or be permanently damaged. Whilst that is bad enough, the resulting leaks can also damage the wooden structure of the caravan.

I stress the incidence of the regulator failure is low, but the disruption and cost it can cause is high.

The use of the water carrier with a float valve avoids the above possibility as if the float valve fails all that happens is the water carrier overflows but becasue its outside the caravan the caravan is protected.

Another reason to consider the float valve system is in some cases the caravan sites water main may suffer with highly variable flow rates becasue of other caravans demanding water. Having the water carrier buffers variations in supply flow and pressure.

And a third reason is that the mains water line pressure regulators often have poorer flow rates into the caravan than the caravans own submersible pump. If you need a good constant flow for showers, the sub pump may well be a better bet.

 

[Buckman]

Here we go again! Neither one is better than the other as they both can lead to flooding of the caravan if an internal pipe comes apart. Just a matter of personal choice. We have been using direct mains for several years with no issue.

 

[RogerL]

I have a direct connection fitted as standard on our Lunar Clubman - I've used it a couple of times but the pressure regulator seems to slow the flow too much so now I just use the submersible pump from the water barrel which gives much better flow - I don't bother with a valve for the barrel, just use the direct connection hose to top the barrel up each morning on a serviced pitch.

 

[Dustydog]

Wouldn’t it be easier all round if we referred the OP to the massive epistle we had recently on this subject?
Prof said
”The use of the water carrier with a float valve avoids the above possibility as if the float valve fails all that happens is the water carrier overflows but becasue its outside the caravan the caravan is protected.”
That assumes the pump is in the aquaroll. In my case I have an on board pump. If an internal pipe fails as described , caravan side of the pump, the pump will detect a pressure drop, switch on and continue to flood the caravan as the aquaroll via the float system constantly refills.
I prefer the Float method due my caravan’s age but do have the direct link , more for emergencies .
In both cases when leaving the caravan unattended ,
Float system , switch off pump
Direct system turn off the mains tap.

 

[Hutch]

Saxo, when you collected you caravan , did you eventually find the connector pipe for going from the aqua roll,, to the caravan. As you were going to buy one.

 

[Saxo Appeal]

Hi Hutch,

All we had was 2 hoses under the seat beside the door.

First short hose was for the outdoor connection to a shower head
Second long hose was what we’re using just now at the fully serviced pitch, it connects from the tap to the Truma inlet.

 

[Saxo Appeal]

Oh sorry forgot, this one also which is for the Aquaroll which they had in the sink on pick up and used to fill the tank for a demo.
This is the Truma one which is useless at it kinks, which is why we purchase the Whale one



Which has the metal pins

 

[ProfJohnL]

Here we go again! Neither one is better than the other as they both can lead to flooding of the caravan if an internal pipe comes apart. Just a matter of personal choice. We have been using direct mains for several years with no issue.

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The difference between what I have discussed and your suggestion is that in your scenario its a failure of an appliance or fitting inside the caravan caused by poor installation, and you are correct it would happen with whatever drives the water into the caravan.

Specifically the scenario I have described relates only to the use of mains water pressure reducer, where the pressure reducer fails to limit the water pressure at the caravan and its the excess pressure that damages appliance's or fittings. This failure could only happen where a mains water pressure reducer is fitted.

The fact is I worked in the industry and have seen several instances where such failures have arisen.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Wouldn’t it be easier all round if we referred the OP to the massive epistle we had recently on this subject?
Prof said
”The use of the water carrier with a float valve avoids the above possibility as if the float valve fails all that happens is the water carrier overflows but becasue its outside the caravan the caravan is protected.”
That assumes the pump is in the aquaroll. In my case I have an on board pump. If an internal pipe fails as described , caravan side of the pump, the pump will detect a pressure drop, switch on and continue to flood the caravan as the aquaroll via the float system constantly refills.
I prefer the Float method due my caravan’s age but do have the direct link , more for emergencies .
In both cases when leaving the caravan unattended ,
Float system , switch off pump
Direct system turn off the mains tap.

Unfortunately you too don't seem to have grasped the concern. see my response to Buckmans comment.

 

[woodsieboy]

We use the float in the aquaroll for the opposite reason to the flood from mains hose scenario. The mains hose that was supplied with our van reduced the pressure so much that we had no flow at all, not ideal, but for us it was a lesson learned.

 

[Hutch]

Oh sorry forgot, this one also which is for the Aquaroll which they had in the sink on pick up and used to fill the tank for a demo.
This is the Truma one which is useless at it kinks, which is why we purchase the Whale one

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Which has the metal pins

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I have both the Truma pump and also the Whale pump with the Truma connector to the caravan.
I have fitted the Truma pump pipe with a 22 mm insulation cover which not only keeps it straighter, but insulates it for winter use.
It is interesting to see you have both the fitting for an electrical pump and also just a water inlet to the van.
Hopefully your first trip went ok other than the front side light.

 

[otherclive]

I think we have all grasped your consistent long lectures about products developed in the 20th century. Things have moved on since and we are now in the 21st century and many things have been improved since in case you missed it? Move with the times!

No need for insults on the Forum.

 

[Buckman]

No need for insults on the Forum.

I am not insulting. I am saying move with the times and move into the 21st century. Maybe many years ago there were issues, but I like to think they have been resolved since. I have deleted the post anyway.

 

[RogerL]

I am not insulting. I am saying move with the times and move into the 21st century. Maybe many years ago there were issues, but I like to think they have been resolved since. I have deleted the post anyway.

Perhaps you could enlighten all of us about the major innovations from the 21st century that have been incorporated in modern caravans - seems to me that caravan makers are definitely living in the past.

 

[Sam Vimes]

It seems that certain members display an antagonistic attitude to others that's really unnecessary and not at all appropriate to the ethos of this forum.

Please try and be a little restrained if you have to express differences of opinion.

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