When a car become beyond economical repair?

[Buckman]

9 years. But if it had covered an average annual mileage rather than a low one the fault would have manifested itself before expiry of the 7 year warranty .
Well that’s my theory. Will keep you posted

I am not sure, but if it is an inherent fault it should still be covered for a manufacturers repair whether or not using SOGA or CRA 2015?

Our Jeep which is now almost 7 years old is having the complete fuel system replaced this Friday FOC due to an inherent fault that was there from day one and we are the 3rd owner. You may also recall that last year I had the bonnet replaced FOC by Jeep UK due to an inherent fault.

I suggest contacting Which Legal Services for advice. First phone call is normally free.

 

[Dustydog]

I am not sure, but if it is an inherent fault it should still be covered for a manufacturers repair whether or not using SOGA or CRA 2015?

Our Jeep which is now almost 7 years old is having the complete fuel system replaced this Friday FOC due to an inherent fault that was there from day one and we are the 3rd owner. You may also recall that last year I had the bonnet replaced FOC by Jeep UK due to an inherent fault.

I suggest contacting Which Legal Services for advice. First phone call is normally free.

Check your mailbox 😉

 

[otherclive]

I am not sure, but if it is an inherent fault it should still be covered for a manufacturers repair whether or not using SOGA or CRA 2015?

Our Jeep which is now almost 7 years old is having the complete fuel system replaced this Friday FOC due to an inherent fault that was there from day one and we are the 3rd owner. You may also recall that last year I had the bonnet replaced FOC by Jeep UK due to an inherent fault.

I suggest contacting Which Legal Services for advice. First phone call is normally free.

That’s interesting, where can I find background reading on inherent faults, and was it a battle to get the Jeep fuel system addressed.

 

[Gafferbill]

.....I have a 2016 1.6 diesel Ceed which was bought 2nd hand as a keeper.

I would mail order used replacement parts with DIY fitment or pay to get them fitted.
I had to fit a used driver's door switches console
(£35 delivered)
....... a massive saving over new!

 

[Dustydog]

.....I have a 2016 1.6 diesel Ceed which was bought 2nd hand as a keeper.

I would mail order used replacement parts with DIY fitment or pay to get them fitted.
I had to fit a used driver's door switches console
(£35 delivered)
....... a massive saving over new!

All things being equal I fully agree Bill and that is a route I have used before.
The problem here is that our 2015 Kia had a model history of failed DRL. They changed the design early 2016 putting all the electronics on the outside instead of inside the sealed lamp unit.
Yes the are available as you say but at the age I’m looking out any used ones are as likely to be close to failing as mine. It’s a real faff to get them out although Hutch reckons he could strip the whole front down fairly quickly!

 

[JTQ]

They changed the design early 2016 putting all the electronics on the outside instead of inside the sealed lamp unit.

Would retrofitting the "upgrade" lights together with the appropriate control electronics not be an option?
Or is the change way more involved than that?

 

[Dustydog]

Would retrofitting the "upgrade" lights together with the appropriate control electronics not be an option?
Or is the change way more involved than that?

It is possible but the cost would not be economic.

New wiring harness, changes to the ECU, new lights , probably dearer than the OEMs .

But your idea may work with Bill’s suggestion but still more expensive than the Wakefield repair scenario.

I hope to know more next week and will give a detailed explanation of the final chosen route.

 

[Dustydog]

That’s interesting, where can I find background reading on inherent faults, and was it a battle to get the Jeep fuel system addressed.

If it can be proven an Inherent or Latent Defect was present at the original point of sale both SoGA and CRA trigger. The timescales under Inherent Defects Law will make the Manufacturer liable.
It’s not easy as you the Consumer have to prove the original defect. In my case there are now
Hundreds of well documents cases proving the failures

The Manufacturer soon became of the issue and redesigned the lights for all future new models.

They chose not to do a Product Recall on the basis they already offered 7 year Warranty.

Most people don’t fully appreciate their legal rights hence some fell through the net and why so many DIY perfectly good fixes came on the market.

You may recall a number of different Product Recalls on appliances and foodstuffs over the years. All had an inherent defect at the point of sale.
Things like Central Heating gas valves were a safety critical item and had to be addressed rapidly for obvious reasons. It cost a shed load of money shared by the Italian valve manufacturer and the U.K. manufacturer.

I’ll know more next week hopefully and will fully brief you

 

[otherclive]

If it can be proven an Inherent or Latent Defect was present at the original point of sale both SoGA and CRA trigger. The timescales under Inherent Defects Law will make the Manufacturer liable.
It’s not easy as you the Consumer have to prove the original defect. In my case there are now
Hundreds of well documents cases proving the failures

The Manufacturer soon became of the issue and redesigned the lights for all future new models.

They chose not to do a Product Recall on the basis they already offered 7 year Warranty.

Most people don’t fully appreciate their legal rights hence some fell through the net and why so many DIY perfectly good fixes came on the market.

You may recall a number of different Product Recalls on appliances and foodstuffs over the years. All had an inherent defect at the point of sale.
Things like Central Heating gas valves were a safety critical item and had to be addressed rapidly for obvious reasons. It cost a shed load of money shared by the Italian valve manufacturer and the U.K. manufacturer.

I’ll know more next week hopefully and will fully brief you

Thanks for the information. One of the benefits of the web is that these kind of defects now have less places to hide especially with car forums too.

 

[Buckman]

That’s interesting, where can I find background reading on inherent faults, and was it a battle to get the Jeep fuel system addressed.

Not at all. They notified us. The bonnet initially I had to use CRA 2015 until research showed it was an inherent fault at which point Jeep UK became liable.

If the Kia was bought on HP even though the HP was paid off years ago according to WLS the HP company can still be held liable for an inherent fault.

 

[otherclive]

Not at all. They notified us. The bonnet initially I had to use CRA 2015 until research showed it was an inherent fault at which point Jeep UK became liable.

If the Kia was bought on HP even though the HP was paid off years ago according to WLS the HP company can still be held liable for an inherent fault.

Thanks, I will store that one for possible future use.

 

[JTQ]

It is possible but the cost would not be economic.

New wiring harness, changes to the ECU, new lights , probably dearer than the OEMs .

I was assuming doing it using kit from a vehicle breaker, rather than new stuff sourced from a dealer.

Hopefully you soon have a solution.

 

[RogerL]

Not at all. They notified us. The bonnet initially I had to use CRA 2015 until research showed it was an inherent fault at which point Jeep UK became liable.

If the Kia was bought on HP even though the HP was paid off years ago according to WLS the HP company can still be held liable for an inherent fault.

So it's just a manufacturers recall, in effect - same as rusty suspension on mk1 Kia Sorentos, fixed under recall at any age.

 

[Buckman]

So it's just a manufacturers recall, in effect - same as rusty suspension on mk1 Kia Sorentos, fixed under recall at any age.

The petrol issue was a recall, but not the bonnet. I had to demonstrate it was an inherent fault there from day one.

 

[Hutch]

All things being equal I fully agree Bill and that is a route I have used before.
The problem here is that our 2015 Kia had a model history of failed DRL. They changed the design early 2016 putting all the electronics on the outside instead of inside the sealed lamp unit.
Yes the are available as you say but at the age I’m looking out any used ones are as likely to be close to failing as mine. It’s a real faff to get them out although Hutch reckons he could strip the whole front down fairly quickly!

Maybe not your year , but they are mostly the same.

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