would the bentley flying spur be a good towcar

[Guest]

I actually fancy the idea of using one for towing,but alas the boot isn't that big.

PS. has it crossed anyones mind that tow bars are not only made in the UK.

Just because its unheard of here by any uk manufacturer,does not mean there are none!

 

[Guest]

me , are you on something strong?

caravanner posted above "witter do make a towbar for the flying spur however it is to special order and I dont know how the wiring would go. I have seen one towing"

Also "Don't know how the wiring would go" gives a clue!

The wiring could work the same as any other cars has done for years!

The Bentley and VW Phaeton are supposed to share the same floor pan. Westfalia (Westfalia, Brink and Bosal are Euro manufacturers) make a bar for the VW so if type approval was an easy inexpensive option surely they would make one for the F'ing Spur as it should be much the same. But then there would need to be a reasobnable call for them

 

[Mikey1]

I think Tony you might find it was caravanner banging on about what he had in previous posts?

 

[Jim_374473646]

With the type approval for tow bars, is it not also a case that the vehicle must have the mounting holes etc designed into the chassis, ie you cannot drill the chassis and the mounting area has been designed for a tow bar?

So it would need the Bentley chassis to have already been designed for the tow bar?

Jimbo

 

[Guest]

I do not understand what you mean Euro "what are you on something strong"

Do you really think there is any need for that type of remark?

I pointed out, and clearly you still do not get it, as your comeback mentioned Only brands of known tow-bar brands that we can get in the UK!

Are you saying nobody else in the world, manufacturers tow-bars bar those that you mentioned in your post?

I certainly never said I believed anyone does one for the Bentley,I only tried to point out the world is a lot bigger than the few brands of tow-bars you mention, so how can you be so sure!and simple put I do not know either way if anyone does or does not, nor do I really care.

On the other hand your rude remark clearly shows how highly you think of yourself and no...not everyone is on something!

 

[Lutz]

Wouldn't you agree, though, that it would be rather paradox if you cannot obtain a type approved towbar for a UK manufactured car in its home country, but at the same time expect a foreign towbar manufacture to make one? Euro has mentioned the largest and best-known OEM towbar manufacturers, so it would be even more surprising if a smaller one would cough up the necessary resources to type approve a towbar for the Bentley.

 

[Guest]

Lutz, I have no idea nor do you or Euro,and its not meant to be offensive.

All I know is if somebody wants something and has enough money then they can get almost anything.

and usually those that buy products like a Bentley can afford almost anything.so we are not talking Ford KA here.

So if some rich sheik wants 20 tow-bars for his fleet of Bentleys,

Are you telling me it will be impossible? if so, OK I accept your word.

 

[Lutz]

Of course, nothing is impossible. The sheik wouldn't have a problem anyway so long as he doesn't intend to use any of his fleet of Bentleys in Europe. But if he does, he'd have to foot the bill for the homologation procedure as well for the design and development of the towbar. Let's face it, that's hardly likely to happen.

 

[Jim_374473646]

Although there doesn't appear to be any approved tow bars, no doubt if I went to my local back street garage the apprentice would make one fit for

 

[Lutz]

No doubt, but if you ever have an accident and the car were to be scrutinised by the insurance company, not only you but also the apprentice would be in deep trouble, quite apart from the problems you would have if the towbar or the car's structure were to fail after a couple of hundred miles of towing.

 

[Guest]

Totally agree it would be a daft idea, but I am sure it was meant in just.

As for actually getting done for having a illegal tow-bar on,[hypothetically] well I would do exactly what the insurance companies tell you to do, in the event of an accident.

That is to, not admit liability and that's exactly what I would do if the vehicle was scrutinised. lol

 

[Jim_374473646]

I would never risk having something made up to pull one and a half tonne behind me, as far as I'm concerned there will be a reason why you can't get one, especially when something goes wrong and the insurance company won't give you a bean for your written off

 

[Lutz]

You wouldn't have to withhold a statement regarding admitting liability. The very fact that the towbar wouldn't have a plate displaying the homologation number would already get you and the person who sold you the towbar into trouble.

 

[Guest]

Lutz its all hypothetical and something no one in their right minds would do.. but admitting guilt is a no no, this still applies under UK law, whilst I am not a criminal, as they really know what is what, I know the basics, and for any action to be taken against me or a supplier they would need to know who supplied it,I am not likely to go telling, and they will have to prove I knowingly fitted/used a none type approved part.

The CPS will only take action if they are sure of a conviction regardless of what the police would like to happen, if they cannot substantiate any facts, they cannot do anything.

Only when a fool opens his mouth and starts muttering excuses does one get done.

 

[Lutz]

Lutz its all hypothetical and something no one in their right minds would do.. but admitting guilt is a no no, this still applies under UK law, whilst I am not a criminal, as they really know what is what, I know the basics, and for any action to be taken against me or a supplier they would need to know who supplied it,I am not likely to go telling, and they will have to prove I knowingly fitted/used a none type approved part.

The CPS will only take action if they are sure of a conviction regardless of what the police would like to happen, if they cannot substantiate any facts, they cannot do anything.

Only when a fool opens his mouth and starts muttering excuses does one get done.

But there is nothing to admit. I don't quite get your point. Using a car or components requiring type approval without such homologation is an offence in itself.

 

[Guest]

No Lutz, knowingly doing so is an offence,and in the case of such attempts like tow-bars [add on parts] there is more leverage than say worn tyres.

beside type approval and EU regs are hard work, some apply to everything some to new cars,or don't apply to cars build before X year.Its all too much for the average jo blogs, and the cps knows it.If you have 12 jurors and half don't know the rules themselves, they are hardly going to convict,and the CPS knows this.As I said never admit knowing anything.

I know it sounds bad,but remember your insurance company is the one that tells you "If you are involved in an accident never admit liability or say sorry!"

Which i found devious and underhand, so Why should i admit anything to them too.

 

[Lutz]

Ignorance of the law is no defence.

 

[Guest]

That is so true Lutz,so how come as long as one keeps quiet ignorance works very well.

Although its not ignorances of the law anyway,Its actually knowing

the law and how it works.

Ignorance of the law is what gets you into trouble....

 

[Guest]

Anyway Lutz you mentioned "ignorance of the law as no defence"

But how about being the law and being ignorance of it.

I still recall vividly being up in a magistrates court back in 1980,for having a motorbike with no insurance being used on the road.[presume you feel I was guilty]

I lent the bike to a friend so he could get to work,lets forget the bla bla bla bit.

Anyway I show them my insurance document, as I had got re insured,the magistrate said" yes but that's a new policy the bike was not insured on said date"

I told him to look at the document again, it said "RIDERS POLICY" and at the time that was the most popular if not only type of insurance, the person not the bike was insured,you where covered up to a certain CC.

I kept my clean licence, but you talk about ignorance of the law, and here we had both the police and magistrates totally in ignorance of the law...

 

[Lutz]

Ignorance of the law works both ways. It's the job of the lawyers both for the prosecution and for the defence to point out where there is a lack of knowledge of the law. One can't expect the police, the magistrate or the defendant to know the law inside out.

Solicitors are paid good money to inform themselves of the relevant laws and I pay a fair premium into my legal fees insurance so that I can expect the best professional representation with expert knowledge of the laws that I cannot hope to have myself.

 

[Guest]

It's a while since I've done any welding but I have Oxy gas torch, Tig and Arc welding gear in my garage. And a few lengths of steel box section. I'm sure I could still weld up a tow hitch that wouldn't fall apart in a 100000 towing miles.

It wouldn't make it legal though!

caravanner's tale is that he is UK based, so I don't quite see where 'me's ideas on obscure tow bar manufacturers in far off lands fits in!

Does anyone believe that in far off lands they have an abundance of Bentley owning tuggers? Even if they do it still doesn't make a European outfit legal and are we to expect that a serious vanner buying a Bentley is going to risk being uninsured?

As the Bentley shares a floor pan from the VW/Audi group, would we not expect a manufacturer already making tow bars for sibling top quality cars to capitalise on their efforts and make one for sibling Bentley if there was a market for them. No doubt Bentley drivers would be prapared for Bentley style prices!

My remark was a joke 'me' in a thread that was only ever a joke!

In the backwoods of Pakistan and Afghanistan local gunsmiths replicate working guns from the best manufacturers, no doubt anyone with a bit of steel and welding gear can make a tow bar or many other things.

There is still compliance for European law to be adhered to or ignored and I some how think that European insurers would have a problem with Igor the Kazakhstan blacksmuiths tow bar or any other offering that was not EU plated and rubber stamped

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Jim

30 Sep 2009 05:59 PM Although there doesn't appear to be any approved tow bars, no doubt if I went to my local back street garage the apprentice would make one fit for

 

[keith_374475636]

i was shocked to read that this chap was doing 90MPH towing a caravan, what a complete nutter, it is idiots like this that give us decent caravanners a bad name, the cops should have caught him and chucked the bloody book at him.

 

[Guest]

No doubt an imaginery 90mph with the imginary Witter tow bar :0

I wouldn't worry to much!

 

[jacky3]

and at a top speed of 200mph____vrooooooooooooooooooooom____er!!!was that a caravan on the back of that!!!!!!!!!!!