Feeling vindicated..................

[Guest]

ps.

Sadly Graham W, despite your disbelief and rudeness I quote Frank above.

"And sadly when they are not in Continental Europe they are in the UK. Hence the reason why people want Adult Only Sites with No Groups of Singles of either sex"

And on our last caravanning visit to a well known family site near Newquay about 4 years ago our evening trip to the bar lasted as long as it took to down our drinks as Chavs go wild seemed to be the way it was going there as well, and most of the younsters were clubbing in the town !

 

[BrianStAlbans]

The problem is drink. Drunken teanagers,bladdered parents,rat arsed dog owners and hungover empty nesters moaning about others children.

Ban drink and the world will be a happier place.

Brian (",)

 

[CliveV]

My goodness what a load of spherical objects gets written as soon as anyone says "Hey Guys! - I like adult only sites!"

1) If the idea of adult only sites were "discriminating" on an age related basis then we had better allow smoking from the age of 6 months and scrap the UK licensing laws and allow 6 year olds and under into pubs for a pint.

2) As for the popularity of Adult only sites and why more sites are introducing this rule then I think the reasons are obvious.

Firstly there are more of us "grey hairs" out there due to the demographic "blip" caused by two World Wars and the resulting baby booms. Secondly we grey hairs have the disposable income and cause less trouble on a site.

So the result is that more sites want a quiet life with happy campers which means that the "more hooligan element" will be forced into ever fewer sites.

This is extremely sad for those with kids that are "well behaved" because it will mean that camping in the UK becomes less and less attractive.

And like Graham - I too have camped in mainland Europe but not as extensively as Grahams list but we never had any problems with badly behaved children - In fact it was one of the main attractions of our regular Eurocamp holidays that within minutes of arriving our two boys were off playing with other children of all nationalities.

What a contrast on our first outing with our caravan in the UK when I said "Hey come on lads" when a football hit our awning.

"***k off" was not the response I wanted.

As a consequence - I know choose adult only sites. No damage to my property and I have nothing but friendly chats and a few drinks with my fellow holidaymakers.

WELL DONE VIC!!!!

For starting and interesting thread. Far from it being deleted (That would only sweep the issue under the carpet and only benefit those who do not want to accept that other people have views differing to theirs - out of sight, out of mind) I hope those who have differing views can continue to voice their opinions.

It's called "Freedom of Speech" for those who would rather have other peoples opinions deleted.

 

[Guest]

You are partially right Brian, but how come many continentals seem to be able to cope with a drink or two without the outrageous behaviour.

We spent a happy day with Italians, French and German and another retired British couple at an Italian site at a celebration of a 55th wedding anniversary and two birthdays. Lunch time with wine lead to an afternoon of drinks and games with the kids and then a long evening. Some of the young children drank watered down wine and no one had a cross word and as it got late everyone quietened down rather than the Brit habit of getting louder and the children went to bed when they were told.

Drink is a factor, but life reveolving around the family unit and children is also a big factor I believe.

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Agreed Euro, although teatotal for the past 21 years I was a publican for over 4 years within that time. The british mentality of cramming as many drinks as they can before closing is the main factor in alcohol related problems. Even though the laws have changed regarding opening hours it is strongly set in the british mind that we so "little time ,so much to drink". The young guys I work with plan their nights out with one intention , to get absolutley rat arsed, it's really funny on a Saturday watching them suffer .But of course they are out again that evening.

I too have travelled around europe and the difference is amazing based on what you say about the involvement of children with regard to drink and also drink and food being more linked.

Changes in the law to a more european "lifestyle should have some effect but will take several generations to become a way of life.

Brian

 

[CliveV]

I do not believe that alcohol is the route cause. It is most certainly an aggravating factor in our society today but this seems intrinsically linked with the lack of family values. My 24 year old and 20 year old still look forward to Friday night as this has evolved over time to be a family "take away" night.

I am certainly not saying they are angels when it comes to going out on the town but compared to what some get up to on a regular basis, I have no complaints.

We all enjoy sitting down and having an Indian/Chinese/Pizza whatever and then they go out.

It seems to me that those who binge drink lack something (apart from a stomach lining) - but whatever it is, they will not find it inside a bottle.

I adore Red Wine. I really enjoy it. So too do I really enjoy a few pints of Ringwood. What I do not understand is the supposed pleasure of ten pints of lager/whatever.

 

[yvonne6]

I can't believe the all anger that is happening in this thread. Mod its time to dealt the thread. I was under the impression that caravanners where civvilised, gentile, have i got it wrong? the topics of dogs, kids and 4x4 should no longer be posted - some comments are getting personal, i think enough has been said on the topics. Now everyone take a deep breath and chill.

Yvonne

 

[CliveV]

Oh for goodness sake Yvonne - please!

This is a good debate without anyone getting angry as far as I can see.

Diference of opinion yes - most certainly!

The issue of Adult only sites is very topical and affects a lot of people.

What on earth makes you think that buying a caravan means that you have to have some kind of "personality bi-pass" so we all think along the same lines?

This is the real world - not something out of Star Trek.

Mind you - Live Long and Prosper is not a bad life motto!

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Yvonne, members are free to discuss things as long as Forum rules are met.

I have to say this topic keeps coming back and is becoming a tad boring ,IMHO.

On one side the children haters on the other, us parents ;OP

I don't get involved personally.

Brian (",)

 

[JeremyClarksson]

Without some form of debate people will only ever see their side of the story and misconceptions will never get addressed.

Debate is healthy and should be looked at as a harmless activity.

Slanging matches are not debate and that is what the mods are here for.

 

[Guest]

I guess there are some children haters out there but I would hope that the majority of Adult site users go there for peace and quiet.

I just find it sad that these sites seem to be an escape from unruly families for some and when caravanning with family we are excluded from these often quieter sites.

Despite a variety of comments made if you read through all of them their is an acceptance that there is a problem within British Society and the up bringing of children and despite Vic's line on adult sites others who support the family sites seem to think that adult only means people of a certain age !

We can't all agree but I can't see why the thread should be pulled.

 

[CliveV]

Agree with Gary & Euro.

So when do we all book our holidays on the continent?

Any plans to retire outside ofd the UK?

 

[RickyLionheart]

What a miserable shower, you lot must go out of your way looking to be offended, probably by a child's stray ball that has found its way onto your "territory"

In the 20 odd years that I've been caravanning I've never come across the extremes of behaviour that you describe, which makes me think that you must go looking for these misdemeanours.

Children bring a site to life and I for one would steer clear of any "adults only" or should they be called "miserable bug**rs site"

I hope I never have to pitch up next to any of you.

 

[GrahamW]

Ricky

Exactly the point I made at 9.40 this morning, thank goodness I am not on my own in this world.

It is clear that some people attract trouble whilst others don't, thankfully I am in the last group

 

[Guest]

No doubt my 74 year old uncle was attracting trouble when walking home from his Civil Service club on a Friday night at 11pm. A gang of drunks from the local pub ran down the hill and did a Kungfu kick in between his shoulder blades and then kicked him unconscious as witnessed by people being dropped of by a taxi the other side of the exclusive road. Nothing taken, they told the police it was just high spirits and drink!

Or then again a friends brother who went to fill his wifes car with petrol ready for her to go to her early morning shift at a Devon Hospital and got hit from behind as he entered the car and received a similar kicking whilst his wallet was emptied all filmed by the Garages TV camera. The thugs joined the queue at a nearby kebab van to the applause of others as witnessed by a retired police officer from his apartment upposite.

" It is clear that some people attract trouble whilst others don't, thankfully I am in the last group "

What a load of tosh.

I've spent my life avoiding trouble and in some of the worlds hot trouble spots and continue to do so be it on a camp site or in an exclusive hotel where Doctors attending a conference were also staying.

I'll give you one guess as to the nationality of the loudest Doctor drunks and who offended guests wives dressed for a formal dinner.

 

[Chrissylizzie]

I object to being called a 'miserable b*****' just because we sometimes use Adult Only sites. Our children are now 27 and 25 and years ago we used mainly CC sites with facilities for children. Our children were taught to consider others and were well behaved and we all have very many happy memories.

During the course of our married life we have brought up our children, which if you do a reasonable job is quite time-consuming and also looked after four elderly parents and subsequently nursed three of them through terminal illnesses.

My husband recently retired a few years early and so for the first time in years, we now have time for us and to do things which we want to do. We use adult only sites sometimes, not exclusively, as if we feel like a bit of peace and quiet we stand more chance of getting it.

The point being that surely at different stages of our lives, our needs may alter and there is enough choice of sites to suit all users, without the need for anybody to take offence if someone's choice is different to theirs. Those who are currently decrying us 'miserable b*****s' now might find themselves to be the 'miserable b*****s' of the future!!

 

[GrahamW]

No doubt my 74 year old uncle was attracting trouble when walking home from his Civil Service club on a Friday night at 11pm. A gang of drunks from the local pub ran down the hill and did a Kungfu kick in between his shoulder blades and then kicked him unconscious as witnessed by people being dropped of by a taxi the other side of the exclusive road. Nothing taken, they told the police it was just high spirits and drink!

Or then again a friends brother who went to fill his wifes car with petrol ready for her to go to her early morning shift at a Devon Hospital and got hit from behind as he entered the car and received a similar kicking whilst his wallet was emptied all filmed by the Garages TV camera. The thugs joined the queue at a nearby kebab van to the applause of others as witnessed by a retired police officer from his apartment upposite.

" It is clear that some people attract trouble whilst others don't, thankfully I am in the last group "

What a load of tosh.

I've spent my life avoiding trouble and in some of the worlds hot trouble spots and continue to do so be it on a camp site or in an exclusive hotel where Doctors attending a conference were also staying.

I'll give you one guess as to the nationality of the loudest Doctor drunks and who offended guests wives dressed for a formal dinner.

Methinks he protesteth too much

 

[RickyLionheart]

No doubt my 74 year old uncle was attracting trouble when walking home from his Civil Service club on a Friday night at 11pm. A gang of drunks from the local pub ran down the hill and did a Kungfu kick in between his shoulder blades and then kicked him unconscious as witnessed by people being dropped of by a taxi the other side of the exclusive road. Nothing taken, they told the police it was just high spirits and drink!

Or then again a friends brother who went to fill his wifes car with petrol ready for her to go to her early morning shift at a Devon Hospital and got hit from behind as he entered the car and received a similar kicking whilst his wallet was emptied all filmed by the Garages TV camera. The thugs joined the queue at a nearby kebab van to the applause of others as witnessed by a retired police officer from his apartment upposite.

" It is clear that some people attract trouble whilst others don't, thankfully I am in the last group "

What a load of tosh.

I've spent my life avoiding trouble and in some of the worlds hot trouble spots and continue to do so be it on a camp site or in an exclusive hotel where Doctors attending a conference were also staying.

I'll give you one guess as to the nationality of the loudest Doctor drunks and who offended guests wives dressed for a formal dinner.

My thoughts exactly Graham

euro for someone who has spent their life avoiding trouble, trouble has not avoided you

 

[Guest]

But don't forget Chrissielizzie if you do not alway find the peace and contentment you want according to Graham W and Ricky Lionheart it will be your own fault.

 

[CliveV]

No doubt my 74 year old uncle was attracting trouble when walking home from his Civil Service club on a Friday night at 11pm. A gang of drunks from the local pub ran down the hill and did a Kungfu kick in between his shoulder blades and then kicked him unconscious as witnessed by people being dropped of by a taxi the other side of the exclusive road. Nothing taken, they told the police it was just high spirits and drink!

Or then again a friends brother who went to fill his wifes car with petrol ready for her to go to her early morning shift at a Devon Hospital and got hit from behind as he entered the car and received a similar kicking whilst his wallet was emptied all filmed by the Garages TV camera. The thugs joined the queue at a nearby kebab van to the applause of others as witnessed by a retired police officer from his apartment upposite.

" It is clear that some people attract trouble whilst others don't, thankfully I am in the last group "

What a load of tosh.

I've spent my life avoiding trouble and in some of the worlds hot trouble spots and continue to do so be it on a camp site or in an exclusive hotel where Doctors attending a conference were also staying.

I'll give you one guess as to the nationality of the loudest Doctor drunks and who offended guests wives dressed for a formal dinner.

AND I think that euro speaks from experience (as it mirrors mine) whereas you two look on in bewilderment with rose tinted glasses.

 

[RickyLionheart]

"But don't forget Chrissielizzie if you do not alway find the peace and contentment you want according to Graham W and Ricky Lionheart it will be your own fault."

So your "peace and contentment" will be shattered by children playing, don't talk rubbish

 

[CliveV]

Nicely put euro!

Amazing isn't it - some of us who prefer one type of campsite to another (it doesn't matter what type) and those who prefer something different queue up to tell you that you are wrong and that they are right.

I have done my bit with kids and I loved it! Really did!! - But now the wife and I plus the two dogs prefer not to have kids running all over the place.

But that is wrong in the eyes of a few who think that we should all enjoy THEIR sort of holiday.

I am still laughing at the post which says that stipulating "Adult Only" breaks some sort of discrimination law!!!!.

How bizarre can you get when by Law anyone under 18 is barred from drinking in a Pub!!

Don't they just WISH it was against the law!! - Then presumably they could sit back and ensure that we all as some kind of collective looked after their children. After all if they think so badly off us "miserable old gits" - why on earth do they want us on their campsites?

No logic to their argument at all.

 

[CliveV]

"But don't forget Chrissielizzie if you do not alway find the peace and contentment you want according to Graham W and Ricky Lionheart it will be your own fault."

So your "peace and contentment" will be shattered by children playing, don't talk rubbish

Not rubbish when an awning is ripped by a kid on a bike or a caravan dented by a ball or your dog tormented by kids running thro' your pitch.

It is not "Rubbish" Ricky - this is real experiences.

 

[GrahamW]

AND I think that euro speaks from experience (as it mirrors mine) whereas you two look on in bewilderment with rose tinted glasses.

euro

All I can say is I am glad I don't live in such a rough area, have you ever thought of relocating to the relative quiet of Beirut.

Clive

Don't wear glasses and never been bewildered in my life. You reap what you sow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vic_5039745]

My goodness what a load of spherical objects gets written as soon as anyone says "Hey Guys! - I like adult only sites!"

1) If the idea of adult only sites were "discriminating" on an age related basis then we had better allow smoking from the age of 6 months and scrap the UK licensing laws and allow 6 year olds and under into pubs for a pint.

2) As for the popularity of Adult only sites and why more sites are introducing this rule then I think the reasons are obvious.

Firstly there are more of us "grey hairs" out there due to the demographic "blip" caused by two World Wars and the resulting baby booms. Secondly we grey hairs have the disposable income and cause less trouble on a site.

So the result is that more sites want a quiet life with happy campers which means that the "more hooligan element" will be forced into ever fewer sites.

This is extremely sad for those with kids that are "well behaved" because it will mean that camping in the UK becomes less and less attractive.

And like Graham - I too have camped in mainland Europe but not as extensively as Grahams list but we never had any problems with badly behaved children - In fact it was one of the main attractions of our regular Eurocamp holidays that within minutes of arriving our two boys were off playing with other children of all nationalities.

What a contrast on our first outing with our caravan in the UK when I said "Hey come on lads" when a football hit our awning.

"***k off" was not the response I wanted.

As a consequence - I know choose adult only sites. No damage to my property and I have nothing but friendly chats and a few drinks with my fellow holidaymakers.

WELL DONE VIC!!!!

For starting and interesting thread. Far from it being deleted (That would only sweep the issue under the carpet and only benefit those who do not want to accept that other people have views differing to theirs - out of sight, out of mind) I hope those who have differing views can continue to voice their opinions.

It's called "Freedom of Speech" for those who would rather have other peoples opinions deleted.

Thanks Clive. This has always been an emotive subject and I guess it will remain that way.

Those who can't will never see eye to eye with those that can............use Adult Only sites that is!

Vic