Just a point Clive underage drinking is against the law as set by HM Gov. I can't remember Her Maj mentioning Adults only sites in her speech today so probably not the best example to use.
Brian (",)
Brian (",)
Feeling vindicated..................
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Point taken so I won't mention how "personaly involved" we all got a while back when you misinterpreted something I said.Just a point Clive underage drinking is against the law as set by HM Gov. I can't remember Her Maj mentioning Adults only sites in her speech today so probably not the best example to use.
Brian (",)
PLEASE don't take this in the wrong way Brian! - I am just so fed up with the holier than tho' element on here saying one thing and doing another.
May I just say that the "Adults Only" phenomenon is not unique to caravanning and camping.Well part of my point is that there is a nice site that we can't use any more because it's now Adult only !
We've found other sites that we think fine for us then we've noticed "Adult Only" so bangs goes that one.
Some sites have seperate fields for tents and another for motor homes so why not leave a few spots for families.
Adult sites are few and far between in Europe in my experience, so what makes the sad old Brits so different ;-) or is i just a coincidence that in general continental kids behave better and often continental adults to.
Thomson Holidays have been running their "Gold" programme for years and Warners have also been doing the same in the UK. There are hotels up and down the UK that don't cater for children.
I don't hear any hue and cry or abuse being hurled at the tens of thousands of people who go on these holidays every year.
Vic
I am off home now so no more from me - steady now!
Far from being "personal" I actually think this thread has been a good adult debate despite those that want to label it otherwise.
Have a go at:-
http://www.star28.net/snow.html
Good fun and hopefully the first of many in the run up to Christmas.
Perhaps someone could cut and paste it accross to Chit Chat
Good night!
Far from being "personal" I actually think this thread has been a good adult debate despite those that want to label it otherwise.
Have a go at:-
http://www.star28.net/snow.html
Good fun and hopefully the first of many in the run up to Christmas.
Perhaps someone could cut and paste it accross to Chit Chat
Good night!
I'm not a child hater having three grown up of my own and six grandchildren but why do people begrudge people choosing to go to *adult only* sites? If they had *family only* sites it wouldn't bother me, infact with these kind of sites come swimming pools, club houses and entertainment which I wouldn't use so why should I pay for facilities I don't need. There are *no dog* sites for those who don't like dogs and being a dog owner it doesn't upset me if people prefer those sites.
Having brought up our children and being in the autumn of our lives we choose to spend our last years together and away from the rat race and noise, I prefer the sound of birdsong to the radio. That doesn't mean we hate hearing children playing, as long as they aren't playing around our caravan, let them play around their own then if any damage ensues it is their parents problem.
Only this week whilst sat in the van watching T.V. I could hear a continual thumping and on investigation I saw 2 kids, about 15 y.o.,kicking a football against the shower block and this was at 10.30p.m. Where were their parents? The following morning there were the impression of ball marks on the shower block doors and also on the cream wall of the laundry room wall. A wicker fence was also broken. I didn't challenge the kids at the time because if they had given me some lip my short temper would probably have got me arrested and also I didn't fancy waking up with the caravan alight underneath me. I did report the matter to the owners in the morning though.
I've only ever used one *adults only* site but its nice to know that the choice is there for those who prefer them, as there are sites for those who are dog haters. Roll on the day when people with children have *family only* sites and then all will be happy :O).
Having brought up our children and being in the autumn of our lives we choose to spend our last years together and away from the rat race and noise, I prefer the sound of birdsong to the radio. That doesn't mean we hate hearing children playing, as long as they aren't playing around our caravan, let them play around their own then if any damage ensues it is their parents problem.
Only this week whilst sat in the van watching T.V. I could hear a continual thumping and on investigation I saw 2 kids, about 15 y.o.,kicking a football against the shower block and this was at 10.30p.m. Where were their parents? The following morning there were the impression of ball marks on the shower block doors and also on the cream wall of the laundry room wall. A wicker fence was also broken. I didn't challenge the kids at the time because if they had given me some lip my short temper would probably have got me arrested and also I didn't fancy waking up with the caravan alight underneath me. I did report the matter to the owners in the morning though.
I've only ever used one *adults only* site but its nice to know that the choice is there for those who prefer them, as there are sites for those who are dog haters. Roll on the day when people with children have *family only* sites and then all will be happy :O).
G
Guest
Firstly I would point out that I have grown up kids and two lovely little granddaughters that travel with us whenever they can.
I don't live in the UK any more and have homes elswhere but our daughter and family live in our old house here that is in a VERY GOOD locale yet they still have problems so I don't see what area has to do with problem behaviour.
Local family friends child went to one of the best local schools and the boy she sat next to was recently banged up for life for some of the worst multiple murders of recent times.
No doubt his victims invited the trouble as well!
Sadly if you read the Chit Chat section you will find Lisa's thread entitled "Grrrrrrr b******* hang 'em". I'm sure Lisa's daughter will agree with your view point Graham that she invited her mugging today.
I've not been threatened on a Campsite or had my car, caravan or awning damaged by children or suffered any theft of Aquaroll or such, but others have!
CliveV mentioned his family Friday nights and his youngsters going out, unless they are in a very sheltered position I bet they know the areas to avoid and know of people who have suffered from unsocial behaviour on a night out. Incase you have been in a vacuum for years they have even broadcast TV shows from a variety of areas showing the bad bahaviour including quiet places like Wantage in Oxfordshire. My kids new where to avoid when they were young free and single but stiil witnessed some trouble.
Like a lot of people some of the thugs also holiday as well, and in Caravans.
I don't live in the UK any more and have homes elswhere but our daughter and family live in our old house here that is in a VERY GOOD locale yet they still have problems so I don't see what area has to do with problem behaviour.
Local family friends child went to one of the best local schools and the boy she sat next to was recently banged up for life for some of the worst multiple murders of recent times.
No doubt his victims invited the trouble as well!
Sadly if you read the Chit Chat section you will find Lisa's thread entitled "Grrrrrrr b******* hang 'em". I'm sure Lisa's daughter will agree with your view point Graham that she invited her mugging today.
I've not been threatened on a Campsite or had my car, caravan or awning damaged by children or suffered any theft of Aquaroll or such, but others have!
CliveV mentioned his family Friday nights and his youngsters going out, unless they are in a very sheltered position I bet they know the areas to avoid and know of people who have suffered from unsocial behaviour on a night out. Incase you have been in a vacuum for years they have even broadcast TV shows from a variety of areas showing the bad bahaviour including quiet places like Wantage in Oxfordshire. My kids new where to avoid when they were young free and single but stiil witnessed some trouble.
Like a lot of people some of the thugs also holiday as well, and in Caravans.
Lord B , there is a tongue in cheek ;oP after my post so not really accussing any one of being a child hater.
Brian
Brian
Sorry Brian if it came over that I thought you were accusing anyone in your posts, I didn't believe you would for one minute.:O)Lord B , there is a tongue in cheek ;oP after my post so not really accussing any one of being a child hater.
Brian
I would be just as distressed, in fact more so, at the prospect of 'family only sites'. Our children are all adults now, but sometimes we are lucky enough to take our very small grandchildren away with us. Even when we are camping as a couple, we positively enjoy the ambience of sites with all age groups, from the very young, to those of very mature years. We have never, ever, in over twenty years, experienced the sort of bad behaviour from young people that has been described on here. I am not saying that it does not happen, but it must be rare, or e would certainly have noticed. So, to make the leap from saying that because a few children/teenagers misbehave, they are all undesirable, is simply unfair and absurd. I work with 14-19 years olds, so I have a pretty good idea of what they are like, but it certainly has never crossed my mind that a campsite - or a world - without them might be a better place. What future is there for our hobby if we exclude a whole generation?
So, please, do not exclude me from the places I feel happiest, that is, family-friendly, multi-generational campsites. I, in return, will not make baseless assumptions about any section of the community based solely upon what is perceived as being the typical behaviour for people of a given age, gender, class or whatever.
So, please, do not exclude me from the places I feel happiest, that is, family-friendly, multi-generational campsites. I, in return, will not make baseless assumptions about any section of the community based solely upon what is perceived as being the typical behaviour for people of a given age, gender, class or whatever.
The last posting by Clive V has ben removed, as were some previous postings which were deemed to be inflamatory, and the silly ones from two posters who appeared late this evening.
Having read through the whole thread, and seeing the requests for the whole thread to be deleted, I can see no reason to do so, at the present time, as good debate is what life is about.
However, users are reminded that personal attacks on others will not be tolerated, so lets keep personalities out of the thread, or risk losing the whole thing.
Having read through the whole thread, and seeing the requests for the whole thread to be deleted, I can see no reason to do so, at the present time, as good debate is what life is about.
However, users are reminded that personal attacks on others will not be tolerated, so lets keep personalities out of the thread, or risk losing the whole thing.
Well said.Woh Woh Woh, folks where is all the negativity coming from.I thought vanning was all about freedom of choice and doing your own thing, but it is pretty obvious thats not the case. Just for the record,Im 49 with three grown-up sons who no longer wish to partake in vanning holidays with Mum and Dad, part and parcel of life so to speak. Now just because we might want to go to an adult only site, does that mean we suddenly dont fit the criteria to call ourselves normal caravanners, I DONT think so.Theres enough problems in this country on a daily basis without having dictatorial nutters ruining our pastime also. Adult sites, Family sites, Building sites, what the hell does it matter, live and let live.
Another, "Well said".I don't think I have ever read so much unsubstantiated nonsense in my life, where do you guy's go for your holidays, I think you owe it to the rest of us to come clean so we can all avoid these dens of iniquity.
For my part and having toured extensively abroad for the last 30 odd years in:-
France
Germany
Italy
Switzerland
Romania
Poland
Chequeslovakia
Spain
Belgium
Austria
and a few others not once have I experienced the kind of behaviour being related here, guess I am just lucky, either that or Aesop is doing most of the replying here, and I thought he died years ago.
I think its time Mr Mod deleted this thread!!!!!!!
DAMN!The problem is drink. Drunken teanagers,bladdered parents,rat arsed dog owners and hungover empty nesters moaning about others children.
Ban drink and the world will be a happier place.
Brian (",)
I'll get me coat.......
G
Guest
Mod 2.
Have a gold star and take an extended lunch break. What a wise head you have at times :-0
Very fair and just.
Have a gold star and take an extended lunch break. What a wise head you have at times :-0
Very fair and just.
So its Ok for my post to be labelled "Drivel"
But if I say anything about it - it is my post that gets deleted!
Sombody is having a laugh!
But if I say anything about it - it is my post that gets deleted!
Sombody is having a laugh!
G
Guest
I don't see why you have cause to complain CliveV, If when loosing the argument you resort to personal abuse the moderator has every right to remove your inflammatory remarks
Getting back to the point you say that you have had your awning ripped by a "kid on a bike" and your caravan dented by a ball and your dogs "tormented" by kids running through your pitch,I'm sure these incidents were all accidental and not deliberate acts of vandalism
Accidents happen, even on adults only sites
That's life
Live with it
Getting back to the point you say that you have had your awning ripped by a "kid on a bike" and your caravan dented by a ball and your dogs "tormented" by kids running through your pitch,I'm sure these incidents were all accidental and not deliberate acts of vandalism
Accidents happen, even on adults only sites
That's life
Live with it
G
Guest
As others have reported here and elsewhere - Kids playing where they shouldn't and parents ignoring or condoning their action does not actually make it "accidental" damage when a car, caravan or awining gets damaged.
It might not equate fully to a coin being scraped along the side of a car or a tin of paint thrown over the van and awning but can be very expensive and hard to pin point who is responsible. No way is it accidental damage!
Since when has ignorance,stupid choice of play area and no respect for camp site rules and no care for others property become accidental damage?
The only person loosing the argument is in fact you when you make such comments Ricky
But no doubt we can live with that!
It might not equate fully to a coin being scraped along the side of a car or a tin of paint thrown over the van and awning but can be very expensive and hard to pin point who is responsible. No way is it accidental damage!
Since when has ignorance,stupid choice of play area and no respect for camp site rules and no care for others property become accidental damage?
The only person loosing the argument is in fact you when you make such comments Ricky
But no doubt we can live with that!
Ricky - there was no augument to loose! - you labelled my perfectly valid post "Drivel" - hardly the mark of someone able to hold onto an adult debate.I don't see why you have cause to complain CliveV, If when loosing the argument you resort to personal abuse the moderator has every right to remove your inflammatory remarks
Getting back to the point you say that you have had your awning ripped by a "kid on a bike" and your caravan dented by a ball and your dogs "tormented" by kids running through your pitch,I'm sure these incidents were all accidental and not deliberate acts of vandalism
Accidents happen, even on adults only sites
That's life
Live with it
Hence my comment.
I've watched this thread with interest as a caravanner with 2 young children, 5 dogs using a TA caravan and a 4x4 to tow it. If you want to use adults only then that's fine, if you don't it's fine by me too. We travel with my parents most times and play with the children as a family. We fly kites, we build camps, we build lego, we play with a rc car, we draw, we walk the dogs and ride bikes. The children and dogs are the centre of attention during the day and of an evening it is he parents time to relax and enjoy a glass of wine or two.
But that is the trouble with this country the children are not the centre of attention because that is hard work, it leaves less time for ME. It is easier to chuck them out and let them get on with it. But as we all know the devil finds work for idle hands. This is why you get gangs of feral youths that have had no moral guidance that have such shocking behaviour, Lord of the Flies illustrates this perfectly.
The sooner this country learns the value that a loving environment has for society the sooner it will wake up. This isn't liberal thinking, what passes as liberal these days is lazy it is the me me me attitude and until the country wakes up and smells the coffee we are doomed. International terrorism isn't the threat - we are!
But that is the trouble with this country the children are not the centre of attention because that is hard work, it leaves less time for ME. It is easier to chuck them out and let them get on with it. But as we all know the devil finds work for idle hands. This is why you get gangs of feral youths that have had no moral guidance that have such shocking behaviour, Lord of the Flies illustrates this perfectly.
The sooner this country learns the value that a loving environment has for society the sooner it will wake up. This isn't liberal thinking, what passes as liberal these days is lazy it is the me me me attitude and until the country wakes up and smells the coffee we are doomed. International terrorism isn't the threat - we are!
Paul you have just described the wonderful holidays we had Eurocamp'ing and week-end camping in the UK in the past when the children were young.
We stopped "camping" about twelve years ago but started again when we bought our caravan in 2003.
The difference in behaviour of some children - certainly NOT all children - was stunning.
Your analysis of how this awful change has come about is, as Garry says, Spot-on.
I do not believe that trying to educate the children will have any effect. Educating the parents via "Good Parenting" classes may have better results.
We stopped "camping" about twelve years ago but started again when we bought our caravan in 2003.
The difference in behaviour of some children - certainly NOT all children - was stunning.
Your analysis of how this awful change has come about is, as Garry says, Spot-on.
I do not believe that trying to educate the children will have any effect. Educating the parents via "Good Parenting" classes may have better results.
G
Guest
Well put Paul.
With our Granddaughters we do much of the same, they paint and draw with my wife and we all cycle and we bought kites last year including a huge 4 line one + we have books and other kids gear and even computer controled Lego. The girls have joined in with ball and plenty other games on sites.
From what you say I doubt that you start a ball game bewtween your neighbours caravans or race your bikes around the pitches or have a screaming RC car kicking up the dust over couples having a quiet read outside there vans.
"Quiet peaceful site" should not have to mean NO KIDS in my book. It should just mean that all visitors respect the type of site they are at and the ways of the people around them.
With our Granddaughters we do much of the same, they paint and draw with my wife and we all cycle and we bought kites last year including a huge 4 line one + we have books and other kids gear and even computer controled Lego. The girls have joined in with ball and plenty other games on sites.
From what you say I doubt that you start a ball game bewtween your neighbours caravans or race your bikes around the pitches or have a screaming RC car kicking up the dust over couples having a quiet read outside there vans.
"Quiet peaceful site" should not have to mean NO KIDS in my book. It should just mean that all visitors respect the type of site they are at and the ways of the people around them.
G
Guest
Clive. Do you not find it funny that some family holidays involve the parents seeming to have no idea what their kids are doing between meal times and the evening meal and bed time.Paul you have just described the wonderful holidays we had Eurocamp'ing and week-end camping in the UK in the past when the children were young.
We stopped "camping" about twelve years ago but started again when we bought our caravan in 2003.
The difference in behaviour of some children - certainly NOT all children - was stunning.
Your analysis of how this awful change has come about is, as Garry says, Spot-on.
I do not believe that trying to educate the children will have any effect. Educating the parents via "Good Parenting" classes may have better results.
We did Eurocamp many years ago, but we knew where the kids were and what they were doing. And they always spent plenty of time with us.
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