Er, thats been covered here too Stinky. Look at the figures and you will find an average 4x4 does not take up any more road space than a middle to exec type car. Ford Mondeo estates, shall we ban them too?You don't have to justify yourself. This is a debate about why 4x4 (off road cars) are allowed on the road.
If you're fine with arrigantly driving your "car" without any consideration of others, fine. There is no need to post the fact here.
If on the other hand you do have something to say in defence, I'd love to hear why you feel you think you should have more road space for the same price as other road users etc etc.
I find it incredible that people who tow a big white box behind them , for which they pay no road tax, and don't even have to MOT, have the cheek to lecture other road users on selfishness. If you believe that a car should be taxed on its size and the amount of fuel used then all caravan owners should pay road tax on the van, which should require an annual test certificate. There should be a tow bar tax payable on any vehicle having a tow bar fitted.You don't have to justify yourself. This is a debate about why 4x4 (off road cars) are allowed on the road.
If you're fine with arrigantly driving your "car" without any consideration of others, fine. There is no need to post the fact here.
If on the other hand you do have something to say in defence, I'd love to hear why you feel you think you should have more road space for the same price as other road users etc etc.
Shush Pete, Tony B and Gordon B might be listning......I find it incredible that people who tow a big white box behind them , for which they pay no road tax, and don't even have to MOT, have the cheek to lecture other road users on selfishness. If you believe that a car should be taxed on its size and the amount of fuel used then all caravan owners should pay road tax on the van, which should require an annual test certificate. There should be a tow bar tax payable on any vehicle having a tow bar fitted.
Based on your comments I know why you have an anti 4x4 view. You clearly feel intimidated by larger vehicles. I am sorry for you.Crikey Clive, you don't hang about do you!
I really, really tried not to add to this debate as we're just covering old ground... again.
The term 4x4 that we are all using refers to the "off road" vehicles that are oversized, over heavy and downright dangerous. Not 4 wheel driven road cars.
The Scoda etc would be taxed as a normal car, as I think (hope) you already know.
The 4x4 cars are dangerous (and this is the important bit) to "other" road users as they are too heavy, to high and have little crumple zone. This means that, during a crash with a normal car, the 4x4 car passengers have more chance of survival "at the cost to the normal road user". They are desinged for impact with little damage to itself and this makes them a hazard on roads.
I travel a lot through small country roads, many with only one lane and most, if not all, the 4x4 drivers coming the other way keep their road postion and speed and use the cars weight and size to bully the other road users.
I think I've answered all your points, but I'm sure you'll let me know if I've missed anything.
God imagine a caravan on the back of an Arnage!!!!!! No doubt it would be powerfull enough. Dont know about comfort for 7 people though. As for the beemer no chance. Anyway surley a big Bentley is worse in every conceivable way ( polution, road space weight etc) than the biggest 4x4.Graham, you asked what vehicle to consider instead of an offroader (I will not call it a 4x4 as Clive is unable to differentiate between a saloon car which has 4 wheels driven and a big offroader)
Why not a Bentley, should be heavy enough for your van and have plently of torque. ................. or don't fill the van up to the mpltm and use a BMW 535d, in fact even with your van loaded to the hilt you should the beemer fine.
Anyway who the blob can afford a Bently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Graham, you asked what vehicle to consider instead of an offroader (I will not call it a 4x4 as Clive is unable to differentiate between a saloon car which has 4 wheels driven and a big offroader)
Why not a Bentley, should be heavy enough for your van and have plently of torque. ................. or don't fill the van up to the mpltm and use a BMW 535d, in fact even with your van loaded to the hilt you should the beemer fine.
I think this is just a case of moving the goalpostCrikey Clive, you don't hang about do you!
I really, really tried not to add to this debate as we're just covering old ground... again.
The term 4x4 that we are all using refers to the "off road" vehicles that are oversized, over heavy and downright dangerous. Not 4 wheel driven road cars.
The Scoda etc would be taxed as a normal car, as I think (hope) you already know.
The 4x4 cars are dangerous (and this is the important bit) to "other" road users as they are too heavy, to high and have little crumple zone. This means that, during a crash with a normal car, the 4x4 car passengers have more chance of survival "at the cost to the normal road user". They are desinged for impact with little damage to itself and this makes them a hazard on roads.
I travel a lot through small country roads, many with only one lane and most, if not all, the 4x4 drivers coming the other way keep their road postion and speed and use the cars weight and size to bully the other road users.
I think I've answered all your points, but I'm sure you'll let me know if I've missed anything.
I would argue that last point MatthewWhy exactly should 4x4 be tax more, it's clear from the anti's that it's got nothing to do with fuel economy or the enviroment, so come what is it??????????????????????????????????????????
It seems strange to me when caravaners are attack from non caravaning groups blaming us for traffic congestion, that we're here having a go at each other because our views on what type of vehicle we drive differ, who really cares. To me reading these comments I feel most of you think stalin was a great guy and had the right idea.
So to solve it, from now on you all have to drive the same car (same colour, same engine size and fuel), then there'll be no arguing.
This reminds me so much of the time I tought a class of 16-18 year old GNVQ students, same mentality arguing for arguings sake.
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