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Not entirely true as constraint payments are made to conventional generators as well. Its all part of the load balancing method.

Here we generate a lot of wind power and the West Coast Feeder does shove some of it down south but it was blighted by lots of technical issuse resulting in much downtime. Now there is an East Coast Feeder - not sure of its status or technicalities.

But as I mentioned elsewhere there is going to be gridlock because high deman areas due to more EVs and Heat Pumps may be in regions where the distribution lines themselves can't cope with the additional loading. Too man Amps needed down too small a wire.
The two Eastern Green link cables can each carry 2gw from Aberdeen to Drax in Yorkshire. EGL2 is scheduled for completion 2029.
 
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It does seem that the contributor to whom you refer is correct in their assumptions regarding the national grid not coping at times when the renewables have to be shut down because they are supplying too much power and at other times not enough. Are you getting your incorrect information from a Google AI search? :unsure:
No different then when coal and nuclear were predominant as even then load had to be balanced and not all ran at full chat 100% of the time. Some required maintenance, some had closures due to breakdowns and some would just be turned down as their output wasn’t required.
 

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Since we're comparing energy usage make of this what you will - I'm happy with it at least.

House built in 2010 to Passive House Standards; No heating system; No PV panels; No Heat Pump; No EV;

MVHR, Wood Burner and Hot water solar panel installed.

Floor plan about 150sqm, volume about 350sqm and open plan.

Home all the time but outside quite a bit in the better months.

  1. Average Electricity over 15 years 3796KWh per year. Current billing £50 per month but currently in credit by £163
  2. Gas usage only started about 10 years ago - 1.5 x 19kg propane per year - say about £75
  3. Logs - hard to measure as they don't have a smart log meter - approx £450 per year
  4. Hot Water Solar Panel runs on average 638 hours per year but its hard to tell what the energy input is since it only needs a +6degC difference between the collector temperature and the tank temperature. I reckon it paid for itself in about 5-6 years.
This time of year we'll light the fire about 4 or 5pm until about 10pm. By about Jan/Feb time this will be about midday until 10pm. Also at this time a 1.4Kw panel heater goes on timer from 7am to 10am to just boost the temperature up when we rouse our selves from winter hibernation.

The MVHR keeps the average winter house temperature at between 17-20 degC when fire not alight. Outside air temperature obviously varies but we can see overnights of approaching zero. Just a couple of days ago we hit 2.8degC.

When fire on this is 20 - 22. Noticeably the Humidity averages about 45 - 60 all year round and this makes the air quality much better and a lower temperature feels warmer.

When we've been away for an extended period in the winter months the MVHR goes onto an away mode - 15mins on every hour. The house temperature has never gone below 12degC and lighting the fire will raise the temperature within 2 or 3 hours. Sometimes the sun may shine for a few days before we return and the solar gain boosts the house temperature up quite a bit.

The MVHR also means we don't need a tumble dryer. Clothes etc will virtually dry overnight on an airer.

The drawback of heating with a wood burner is there is no automatic system to turn it on.

Hot water is via two immersion heaters, manually controlled..

A 150l one in the bathroom for showers and baths etc. This is supplemented via the Solar Panel.

A 15l one in the laundry room for that and the adjacent kitchen. This can be swtiched over to take some input from the Solar Panel if we've had a good few hot days. Since these two rooms get the most hot water usage it means we're not heating up and wasting a larger amount of water than we need.

In the summer time we roast as the house temperature can be over 35degC at times but we can open windows to dissipate some of this. Problem occurs at night sometimes when bedroom temperature hits 28degC and we can't open a window since its midge season. Later MVHR systems had a summer bypass which would at least let some cooler air in but ours doesn't.
 
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Wind power has cut £104bn from UK energy costs since 2010, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...t-uk-energy-costs-ucl-study?CMP=share_btn_url
Wind is saving you money, whether you believe it or not.
Once again a call for reform of the energy market to detach gas from affecting electricity prices. Without such reform consumers will not see the benefits of renewables despite there being one at national level. One think tank basically said though that doing so would inevitably lead to a reduction in investment in gas and loss of jobs in the sector. Outcry of pain. Whilst acknowledging that employment vacancies in the renewables and electric infrastructure would rise. Methinks Government doesn’t want the confrontation, rather install more renewables and nuclear until the gas generators of electricity see dwindling returns and leave the market place until a balance is established.
 
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Hilarious! Keep it up if you believe the Guardian. 🤣 🤣 🤣
The study reported by The Guardian was issued by University College London three days ago. Here is the original, and if you compare the open source document with The Guardian's article there has been no journalistic licence. The study at the lower link is now out for Peer Review.



 
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Since we're comparing energy usage make of this what you will - I'm happy with it at least.

House built in 2010 to Passive House Standards; No heating system; No PV panels; No Heat Pump; No EV;

MVHR, Wood Burner and Hot water solar panel installed.

Floor plan about 150sqm, volume about 350sqm and open plan.

Home all the time but outside quite a bit in the better months.

  1. Average Electricity over 15 years 3796KWh per year. Current billing £50 per month but currently in credit by £163
  2. Gas usage only started about 10 years ago - 1.5 x 19kg propane per year - say about £75
  3. Logs - hard to measure as they don't have a smart log meter - approx £450 per year
  4. Hot Water Solar Panel runs on average 638 hours per year but its hard to tell what the energy input is since it only needs a +6degC difference between the collector temperature and the tank temperature. I reckon it paid for itself in about 5-6 years.
This time of year we'll light the fire about 4 or 5pm until about 10pm. By about Jan/Feb time this will be about midday until 10pm. Also at this time a 1.4Kw panel heater goes on timer from 7am to 10am to just boost the temperature up when we rouse our selves from winter hibernation.

The MVHR keeps the average winter house temperature at between 17-20 degC when fire not alight. Outside air temperature obviously varies but we can see overnights of approaching zero. Just a couple of days ago we hit 2.8degC.

When fire on this is 20 - 22. Noticeably the Humidity averages about 45 - 60 all year round and this makes the air quality much better and a lower temperature feels warmer.

When we've been away for an extended period in the winter months the MVHR goes onto an away mode - 15mins on every hour. The house temperature has never gone below 12degC and lighting the fire will raise the temperature within 2 or 3 hours. Sometimes the sun may shine for a few days before we return and the solar gain boosts the house temperature up quite a bit.

The MVHR also means we don't need a tumble dryer. Clothes etc will virtually dry overnight on an airer.

The drawback of heating with a wood burner is there is no automatic system to turn it on.

Hot water is via two immersion heaters, manually controlled..

A 150l one in the bathroom for showers and baths etc. This is supplemented via the Solar Panel.

A 15l one in the laundry room for that and the adjacent kitchen. This can be swtiched over to take some input from the Solar Panel if we've had a good few hot days. Since these two rooms get the most hot water usage it means we're not heating up and wasting a larger amount of water than we need.

In the summer time we roast as the house temperature can be over 35degC at times but we can open windows to dissipate some of this. Problem occurs at night sometimes when bedroom temperature hits 28degC and we can't open a window since its midge season. Later MVHR systems had a summer bypass which would at least let some cooler air in but ours doesn't.
Interesting on the MVHR Sounds an exceptional piece of kit.
We have solar thermal here with 300 litre hot tank, means that for 7-8 months of the year we have no need for hot water heating from gas or electric. Even the other four months the gas is only heating the top half of the tank which has had some heating from the thermal.
The immersion only gets used when the unit price is under 5p* if we need it, or when the unit price is negative any time whether we need the water heating or not.😲

* Above 5p it's cheaper to use gas to heat the water.
 
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When we built the house two important factors were, High Levels of Insulation and Low Air Permeability i.e low air leaks.

No point in having great insulation if there are many holes for the heat to escape through.

At the time Building Regs were calling for a test figure of 10 for Air Permeability. Surveys suggested that in reality new housing stock was lucky to acheive 14 and there was no mandate to do testing anyway.

Passive House rules called for a test figure of 0.9 but we could only get the builder to sign up to 2. When we ran the test we got 1.2. Later we plugged some of the leaks so probably got lower still.

Of course if you have a pretty air tight house then problems with air quality come in with the potential for condensation and mould. This is where the MVHR comes in. It replenishes the whole house air at a nominal 2.5 times per hour. Since you don't want to lose any internal heat through the exhaust air going out and colder fresh air coming in, the MVHR has a heat exchanger which has an efficiency well above 90%.

Although not really a dehumidifier it does some of the job which makes for a pleasant atmosphere inside and dries the washing :)

At one point MVHRs were supposed to be installed in all new builds but I think building regs got changed to just specify air change levels through whatever means and I think builders just went for trickle vents in windows. Air tightness testing was also supposed to be done but again I don't think it became standard. Its an interesting process to watch.
 
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In 2008 we built a large 4 bedroom environmentally friendly timber house in Powys Wales, we insulated with 150mm warm cell to all wall and 300mm in the loft space. On the ground floor underfloor heating, upstairs radiators, the downside LPG gas, however our heating bill was less than £300, at that time we received £300 yearly grant for having a useless solar heat exchanger panels.

The best we could achieve was 1.5, we also went around the douglass fir timber window adding additional seals after the smoke test. In 2017 we moved back to Staffordshire to a new built bungalow with 75mm cavity insulation, to improve it efficiency we increased the loft insulation, all led light, solar panels and battery. EV charger and PHEV.
 

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