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Hi!

I just arrived in New-Zealand with my family for a holiday (2 young kids, 1 and 2 years old). We want to buy a caravan (and towing car) this week, to travel around for 6 months. I am not a great driver, and not used to driving on the left :)

I'll make sure the towing car is diesel, 4WD, and can pull at least 2000kg. What I find hard to decide is if I can go for a 7.9m (26ft) twin-axle, or should really want a 6.5m (21ft) single-axle. The smaller caravan would seem to cover our requirements layout wise, the sales person tried to convince me the larger twin-axle would be much more comfortable and should be fine to tow.

I can see myself go for a larger one in 6 months when our trip ends ;) with no experience and new to this driving what would you recommend?

Hoping to get some insights...
 
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abyz12345 said:
Hi!

I just arrived in New-Zealand with my family for a holiday (2 young kids, 1 and 2 years old). We want to buy a caravan (and towing car) this week, to travel around for 6 months. I am not a great driver, and not used to driving on the left :)

I'll make sure the towing car is diesel, 4WD, and can pull at least 2000kg. What I find hard to decide is if I can go for a 7.9m (26ft) twin-axle, or should really want a 6.5m (21ft) single-axle. The smaller caravan would seem to cover our requirements layout wise, the sales person tried to convince me the larger twin-axle would be much more comfortable and should be fine to tow.

I can see myself go for a larger one in 6 months when our trip ends ;) with no experience and new to this driving what would you recommend?

Hoping to get some insights...

If the shorter one meets your needs then I would go for that one. Easier to get into and off pitches and around towns etc. Also likely to be lighter so better fuel economy. Will it have a motor mover fitted or are NZ pitches nice and spacious for reversing into? Since your touring I guess you will be moving on frequently so if space might be an issue with the shorter one have a pull out awning or a conventional awning. Enjoy the trip.
 
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I am not too concerned about reversing to get it in place on a spot, we have plenty of time so I can just retry all day ;) Both would have a motormover as well though.

My main concern is the driving experience (small winding roads and hills).

We likely stick around 1-2 weeks at each location and then move on.
 
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abyz12345 said:
I am not too concerned about reversing to get it in place on a spot, we have plenty of time so I can just retry all day ;) Both would have a motormover as well though.

My main concern is the driving experience (small winding roads and hills).

We likely stick around 1-2 weeks at each location and then move on.

Small winding roads; I would then go fir the shorter single axle.
 
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Hello abyz12345,

Welcome to the forum. We have a few correspondents who are located south of the Equator, and it often surprises me how popular UK designed caravans are down under.

Please bear in mind this forum is is based in the UK, and what can be legally done here may not apply anywhere else, so do check carefully check out the local laws on towing. Don't forget to double check your driving licence which might not cover you for driving some combinations.

Most drivers don't have any major problems when moving forwards. Learning to use the side mirrors more is the the key, and this will lead to giving an extra allowance for the width of the caravan when turning or passing obstructions. On that point you will need extension mirrors for the vehicle a go give a good view down the length of the caravan. There will be local legislation covering this.

The additional weight and size of a caravan will detract from the performance of any tow vehicle. This means it's necessary to allow more time and space when driving for things like crossing or joining roads, over taking or finding parking spaces. But generally once underway moving forwards is easily learned. Provided the caravans braking systems is properly adjusted stopping when towing should be no more difficult than normal, stopping distances are likely to increase a little.

By far the more difficult part is reversing. This is a skill you will need to learn, at first it may seem counterintuitive, turning the steering wheel the wrong way to get the outfit turning. This is also where he length of the caravan makes a difference, the shorter the trailer (or strictly the distance from the coupling to the axle) the more the trailer reacts to the steering input and it's easier to jackknife the outfit. Conversely, the greater h distance between the coupling and the trailer's axle the less the trailer will react to steering input, giving more time to correct the reversing track.

There are lots of debates about the benefits or otherwise between single (SA) or twin axles (TA) trailers. Some claim they provide a more stable tow, But rarely are those people able to compare apples to apples in other words caravans of equal length and weight. I have towed many different combinations as part of one of my jobs, and I can't conclusively agree with this thought.

Others believe that having a TA makes the caravan safer in the event of losing a tyre. Because caravans have independent suspension, the loss of one tyre puts extra load on the remaining tyre which is then more likely to also fail, more than doubling the difficulties and cost of getting going again.

I personally don't see any technical benefit of going for TA. There are plenty of the largest caravans on single axles, Twin axles are more of a publicity stunt.

But the biggest issue with TA's is when it comes manual positioning. They are a real pain, because when trying to turn a TA trailer at least two of the tyres (not always on the same axle) will be scrubbing sideways to some extent. This is when a caravan mover really comes into its own.

When choosing your caravan, by all means listen to others opinions about different layouts, but it's you that will be using it, and you need to find a layout that going to suit you. Longer caravans will provide more space which if you are full time with children may be useful, do consider how you might need to cope when arriving in a site when its totally wet or too windy to put up the awning, that additional space may be just what you need.

Have fun and do keep us posted.
 
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Thanks for the elaborate response! My European license is restricted to 3500kg in total, however it can be converted (without any test) to a NZ license allowing up to 6000kg. Most insurers also accept the oversea one without actually applying for the conversion.

I can probably stay under 3500kg with the smaller one (and lighter tow vehicle), which may legally not be required but I presume the restriction in Europe is there for a reason.

For driving forwards, would I notice the difference significantly between the two? Or they simply both follow my car and the length difference has minimal impact e.g. for turns etc?
 

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We currently own a 26' caravan with twin axles and I've also owned single axle models, although not of the same length.
The only real difference from what I can see is that the t/a model will give you more space by virtue of it's length. Ours has longer front benches and a large rear washroom behind the nearside fixed bed, whereas the s/a models with a similar layout have shorter front benches and a smaller end washroom, worth bearing in mind if you like to stretch out on the front benches while watching tv.
From a driving point of view there's not a great deal of difference, a large single axle might have a longer overhang than the t/a model, something to watch out for when cornering.
Reversing? Once you've mastered the art there's little or no noticeable difference when the caravan is hooked up to the tow car.
 
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For driving forwards, would I notice the difference significantly between the two? Or they simply both follow my car and the length difference has minimal impact e.g. for turns etc?

I doubt you would notice any practical difference between either of the vans you are considering when towing, The track the caravan will always follows a slightly tighter radius than the tow vehicle, which is why you need to take corners carefully and use a little more road.

The point about which the caravan turns is determined by the axles distance from coupling. WIth an SA the turning point would be the centre of the axle, but with a TA the turning point can vary between the two axles and is determined by a range of variables, such as which axle has the greatest load when its hitched up.
 
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As you are doing a six months tour, I would be going for a caravan that will give you the most carrying load. And the same with the car/ half truck. You will be loading the caravan upto its Max with clothes etc, the tow vehicle will be the same, will you really need a 4x4, With two young children I would not be wanting to go too far off road with a caravan. The difference in sizes of the caravans are negligible, not worth thinking about. But really think about where you are going to and pick your sites Near to towns for Food etc, and then travel out from you selected place.
 

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What an adventure, and with two tiny children. Have the best time. I have no pearls of wisdom on towing, and you have already got good advice. What I would suggest is a good look at layout. I have no idea what your options are, but I guess you will want to put the babies safely to bed so you can keep them in some routine. Check out layouts that allow that. Also safe play space, and for washing/bathing of children. Cramped wet room may not be ideal.
Perhaps work out which van might give you best return on your money when you trade it back in after 6 months?
Do report back.
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So staying under 3500kg overall (smaller caravan, 2000kg tow capacity but lighter vehicle) would not be safer to drive than taking the longer model (and heavier car as I am exceeding my European limit already anyway)?
 

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The lighter outfit would be likely to be less expensive to buy and to tow in terms of fuel cost, but safety and stability ultimately rely on correct loading, good tyre maintenance, and good safe forward thinking driving techniques.
 
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abyz12345 said:
So staying under 3500kg overall (smaller caravan, 2000kg tow capacity but lighter vehicle) would not be safer to drive than taking the longer model (and heavier car as I am exceeding my European limit already anyway)?

You need to check the NZ licence limits as they may be different to your UK licence limits. For example I cannot drive a motorhome in UK where it’s gross weight (plated) exceeds 3500 kg even if I loaded it to only 3200 kg. Yet I can drive a motor home with a gross weight > 3500 kg in Canada or South Africa. So your UK licence may not have identical conditions when visiting New Zealand.

Also in UK the 3500 kg restriction for B licence category refers to the sum of the plated weights of car and caravan. Ie GVW and MTPLM regardless of whether either is loaded or unloaded. Does NZ use a similar approach?
 
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.......I am amazed at the advice being given to the OP.

From information posted I would assume that the OP is not a resident of the UK......the internet is global and information has been given that the OP is not used to driving on the left side of the road.

I have spent two months touring both islands of NZ and based our trip to mainly staying on camp sites but staying in excellent self catering accommodation that most provide.
Travelling was done in a hire car with excellent deals available for inter island use.
Travelling with your own accommodation by tourists is normally achieved by hiring a campervan ......there are many specialist companies available for this purpose.
I personally would not attempt that form of travel with two very young children.
Being an experience caravanner I would not want the hassle and expense of buying, using and selling a caravan outfit just for a 6 months holiday.......but your choice.

NZ roads are mostly single carriageway and the locals expect to make haste so rules are in place to require larger slower vehicles to allow overtaking ........lay-bys are provided to assist this.
There are also 3 toll roads around Auckland and this is something to be aware of.

....................Enjoy New Zealand
 
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.......I am amazed at the advice being given to the OP.

From information posted I would assume that the OP is not a resident of the UK......the internet is global and information has been given that the OP is not used to driving on the left side of the road.

I have spent two months touring both islands of NZ and based our trip to mainly staying on camp sites but staying in excellent self catering accommodation that most provide.
Travelling was done in a hire car with excellent deals available for inter island use.
Travelling with your own accommodation by tourists is normally achieved by hiring a campervan ......there are many specialist companies available for this purpose.
I personally would not attempt that form of travel with two very young children.
Being an experience caravanner I would not want the hassle and expense of buying, using and selling a caravan outfit just for a 6 months holiday.......but your choice.

NZ roads are mostly single carriageway and the locals expect to make haste so rules are in place to require larger slower vehicles to allow overtaking ........lay-bys are provided to assist this.
There are also 3 toll roads around Auckland and this is something to be aware of.

....................Enjoy New Zealand[/quote

Thanks for pointing out that the OP isn’t used to driving on the left. But from experience in Europe and living in Canada driving on the opposite side isn’t a problem as long as you keep aware of the difference. When I moved to Canada I had access to my landlords Jeep Renegade and his advice was “ to keep the white line next to you” !
Do they have white lines in NZ? Other than on All Blacks kit.
 
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abyz12345 said:
So staying under 3500kg overall (smaller caravan, 2000kg tow capacity but lighter vehicle) would not be safer to drive than taking the longer model (and heavier car as I am exceeding my European limit already anyway)?

If you are driving in NZ then you must comply with their regulations, so unless the NZ regulations refer to your EU licence as a visiting driver, the EU regs are irrelevant.

License regulations are more about controlling citizen's and raising revenue than safety, so simply sticking to the weight limits does not guarantee any degree of safety.

Safety is principally in the hands of the driver, and is helped by some simple advice. It is always better to keep the size and weight of any trailer as small as possible, this usually means the trailer aught to be less weight than the tow vehicle.

Correct loading to ensure an adequate nose load is created, but also avoiding excessive end loading of a trailer to keep its has inertia as small as possible. Do not exceed any weight or load limits.

Proper maintenance of both tow vehicle and trailer is essential, and setting correct tyre pressures.

But it's the driver who controls how the outfit us driven, and that has the biggest impact on safety. Consider speed limits as limits not targets, and because you are towing your legal limits may be less than the road signs suggest, so check the local regulations.

One of the most frequent concerns is an outfit losing stability and becoming uncontrollable. All the above points should help, but instability is fueled by speed, so be prepared to slow down. Drive defensively, give yourself more time and space to assess the conditions ahead.
 
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Gafferbill said:
but staying in excellent self catering accommodation that most provide.
Travelling was done in a hire car with excellent deals available for inter island use.
Travelling with your own accommodation by tourists is normally achieved by hiring a campervan ......there are many specialist companies available for this purpose.
I personally would not attempt that form of travel with two very young children.
Being an experience caravanner I would not want the hassle and expense of buying, using and selling a caravan outfit just for a 6 months holiday.......but your choice.

Fair point. We notice in general whilst traveling, our kids need several days to adjust to new accommodation. We hope to avoid that by taking the accommodation with us :) Indeed pretty much every tourist uses a campervan here (or car+AirBNB), however as we will move much slower than most the benefit of a separate car would seem to outweigh the ease of getting a campervan (rental or buy/sell).
 
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ProfJohnL said:
Safety is principally in the hands of the driver, and is helped by some simple advice. It is always better to keep the size and weight of any trailer as small as possible, this usually means the trailer aught to be less weight than the tow vehicle.

I probably go for a single-axe caravan
 
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ProfJohnL said:
I don't understand why you keep referring to your EU limits when your going to be purchasing and using the outfit in NZ.

Although it is legal, it feels like cheating.

ProfJohnL said:
However in relation to safety , its always better to have a heavier tow vehicle and lighter trailer.

Makes sense, so I'll try to go for the bigger car. Thanks.
 
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abyz12345 said:
ProfJohnL said:
I don't understand why you keep referring to your EU limits when your going to be purchasing and using the outfit in NZ.

Although it is legal, it feels like cheating.

I'm not sure you appreciate what the EU has done. Their driving licence categories are based on the lowest common denominators from all the member states, and therefore are not necessarily ideal. NZ on the other hand have not had so much external interference, so will be less compromised.

I'm not going to suggest that either system is perfect, and you are perfectly entitled to apply tighter limits than the local laws, but you could be missing a trick.

You must approach all towing duties with care, and as long as you aren't reckless, and you keep with the local regulations you should be fine. Don't feel your cheating by ignoring EU regulations, they simply do not apply in NZ.
 
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Getting closer to buy our first caravan :) looking now mainly at https://trademe.nz/motors/caravans-motorhomes/caravans/21-24-ft/listing/2277052971 or https://trademe.nz/motors/caravans-motorhomes/caravans/21-24-ft/listing/2365196703

With 2014 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2D 4WD as tow vehicle.
 
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We had a similar Bailey Series 5 but it was the Pageant Bordeaux. Kept it for nine years. Probably the best van we’ve had. But the NZ prices! Wow I met a chap during a trip to France and he told me he shipped UK vans to NZ in containers and made a nice profit on the transaction.
 
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We had a similar Bailey Series 5 but it was the Pageant Bordeaux. Kept it for nine years.

That was actually my preference! https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/caravans-motorhomes/caravans/21-24-ft/auction-2259248750.htm

However my wife feels it lacks sufficient storage (e.g. for cooking equipment etc). Which seems a fair point. Also the closet directly on the right takes away quite some "spacious feel" and light from the front. It was the last one we dropped from the list. :)
 
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otherclive said:
We had a similar Bailey Series 5 but it was the Pageant Bordeaux. Kept it for nine years.

That was actually my preference! https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/caravans-motorhomes/caravans/21-24-ft/auction-2259248750.htm

However my wife feels it lacks sufficient storage (e.g. for cooking equipment etc). Which seems a fair point. Also the closet directly on the right takes away quite some "spacious feel" and light from the front. It was the last one we dropped from the list. :)

Ours was a series 5 Bordeaux which had a MTPLM of 1400 kg (upgrade) and was 0.5 metre longer so the front settees were longer and easier to have a post lunch kip on. Can’t believe that there’s a woman out there that takes more than my wife. My sympathies. :whistle:
 

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